Xinhua gives you the official top 10 news stories in China in 2005. Incredibly, there's no mention of Super Girl, the Taishi riots or the anti-Japan protests.
"Due to the specialized nature of Internet technology, there are still some places where pornography exists," he added. "Harmful information on overseas sites can still be transmitted internally, and a minority of people try to use the Web to carry out illegal activities."
To help the censors, I've found one website they might like to take a look at...
Stephen Vines in The Standard sympathises with Donald Tsang during his "duty visit" to Beijing, explaining how this yearly ritual follows closely what has always happened for Hong Kong's rulers. The difference in Beijing insists on doing the assessments in public:
surely there's a less humiliating way of conducting relations between the central government and the SAR. Schoolchildren might expect to have their report cards made public - although even this is frowned upon these days - but heads of government should be treated better.
However, this is unlikely to happen within a system that maintains the old Chinese imperial principle of tremble and obey. The leaders in Beijing keep their grip on their vast empire not by being nice or by conceding liberal doses of devolved power, but by making it absolutely clear that all real power resides at the center, and that the center not only manipulates the levers of control but does so in full public view.
There is an interesting contrast between how China treats its SARs and its provinces. The SARs are vassal states but the provinces are different - they are political power bases (for example the Shanghai faction) and often compete with or ignore Beijing's orders. There is a great irony that the "One Country, Two Systems" idea that drives the Special Administrative Regions actually lands them under greater central control than China's provinces.
The other stark contrast is between Hong Kong and Macau. Macau's Chief, Edmund Ho, is and has remained Beijing's darling. Ho has turned Macau from a sleazy den of vice and gambling into a modern den of vice and gambling, embracing the gift of a gambling monopoly from his Beijing masters. The Macanese never expected democracy in their future and their previous colonial masters, the Portugese, never toyed with such ideas. Running a colony a fraction of the size of Hong Kong is, funnily enough, a fraction as difficult. But my sympathies today lie with the people of Macau, especially those near the grand opening of Fisherman's Wharf:
...singer Francis Yip and American soft-rock group Chicago, both top acts of the 1970s, will officially inaugurate the project by performing their signature songs for free on New Year's Eve in the complex's Roman amphitheater as part of a program to include fireworks and a show by a British acrobatic troupe.
Even at free it's too expensive. Hong Kong might have its troubles, but Macau can keep Chicago.
Well, Simon, I think Beijing realizes that vice is a "Hard Habit to Break." The "Glory of Love" being what it is between Beijing and Macau, I am sure Donald Tsang has seen Edmund Ho being told by Beijing that "You're the Inspiration." Which is why the Don was forced to embarrassingly expalin why his gambit did work, hinting that "It's Hard for Me to Say I'm Sorry" and ask the CCP leaders publicly "Will You Still Love Me?" in order to maintain his messy, multi-loci mandate.
All of which makes the people of Hong Kong, and you and I, want to "Look Away."
Chicago's really not that bad, eh? Nice town too (I was born there 32 years ago).
A rather interesting forecast highlighted in the People's Daily Online today about how China is set to import US$4 trillion over the next five years from abroad. The forecast, by well-known Qinghua University economist Hu Angang, expects that that order of import requirements will create 80 million jobs abroad.
A helpful perspective for people that only believe that China is taking jobs away. Here is the other side of the equation.
The numbers sound rubbery, but it's a good point. As for Oz, the country is already proof of this effect - the mining and agriculture industries are working at full capacity to supply the Chinese as well as Japanese and other customers. They can't dig and grow it fast enough!
I've pointed out in the past to those that fret about the impact of outsourcing and China's trade imbalance - if it's all so bad, why is American unemployment so low?
Some would argue Simon that Australia's economic policy is a path to paupacy. Exporting raw materials and importing manufactured and other value-added goods does not sound like a recipe for success. Fortunately I'm not much of a mercantalist so I don't think Australia has anything to fear in exporting its mining and agricultural products.
I hope you had a merry Christmas Simon, though I want to ask if there is any particularly aussie way of celebrating it what with it being summer and all in the land of vegemite sandwhiches. Even after having lived several years in Florida, I'm still not accustomed to yule-tide decorations mixed with palm trees let alone celebrating the holiday during a scorching summer. I take it there are no Santas in dowdy red costumes?
Xmas in Oz. Typically it's celebrated with BBQs, big lunches, Jewish guys (such as myself) playing golf, watching Poms drink and drown themselves on beaches, that kind of thing. The main events are Boxing Day, when both the Sydney to Hobart Yatch race and the Boxing Day Test cricket match from Melbourne begin.
I'm getting a little teary right now...this is the first Oz Xmas I've missed. And as I said, I'm Jewish.
Talk about confused. And for us Aussies, all this stuff about Xmas being wintery and snowy makes no sense at all. If you were going to organise Xmas, would you stage it in Winter or Summer? I certainly know which way around I prefer.
Another fascinating article from David Barboza of the New York Times (free subscription site). It is about a man that could soon become the country's richest - he's in real estate, runs the Shimao Group, and his name is Xu Rongmao. He has US$9 billion in projects, is due to complete 145 million suare feet in real estate by 2010 and - he used to be a factory textiles worker.
The article paints a picture of the heady wealth that some men have achieved from lowly positions - factory worker, truck driver. It also demonstrates how little these men want to share how they achieved their wealth, for fear of government investigations or reprisal. Contemporaries though, pay Mr. Xu great homage for his vision and foresight.
Imagine how different Australia or America would be if all of its tycoons were rags-to-riches stories - pondering the meaning of it on society is a fascinating exercise.
Read a fascinating pair of articles today from the New York Times (free registration site). This first one is about how Viacom's Nickelodeon, the children's cable TV network, is targeting the children of China is fun, irreverent rogramming that dispenses with dogmatic messages about how to behave. Great strategy - will the parents and the government like it? A quote from the article:
Viacom already has a 24-hour MTV channel in southern Guangdong province. China Central Television and the Shanghai Media Group broadcast Nickelodeon's "Wild Thornberries" and "CatDog" cartoons. "SpongeBob SquarePants" is due to premiere here next month.
But with television programming in China entirely state-controlled, Western media companies must negotiate every nuance of programming. And experts say that parents here may be even more restrictive than the government, viewing American-style television as too unruly.
"It wouldn't be surprising if the government said no to programs like these," says Lei Weizhen, who teaches about television at People's University in Beijing. "The public may question whether or not these shows are good for Chinese children."
In the cutthroat competition of contemporary Chinese society, parents invest heavily in what is often their only child. Urban children especially may attend school from 7 a.m. till 4 p.m., followed by hours of homework, music lessons and other enrichment courses. Deviating from this rigorous program is not encouraged.
"We don't allow him to watch too much TV," Qiu Yi, a 41-year-old advertising salesman in Shanghai, said of his 11-year-old son. "I'm not against cartoons. But I try to encourage him to watch documentaries on dinosaurs and the Second World War. These programs are useful to his study."
I am sure both Viacom and the Chinese government are wondering the same thing. Are these 'creative' influences mildly suggestive of American child rebelliousness, and what impact will it have on Chinese society?
There's a greater worry - that China's little emporers will turn into a vast army of rote-learning robots that lack creativity, initiative and drive, such as largely afflicts Japan and Korea. If American cartoons can engender a small amount of rebelliousness, it may undermine Confucian ideals of filial duty, but it may also prove the spark that ignites future economic growth and success.
I quite agree Simon, the potential for differences in thinking created by cartoons are quite positive overall, as much as China may fret about it (proof being that Disney was banned from airing its Looney Tunes cartoons on TV on the mainland until this year).
It will also be interesting to see what works and translates well in China, and what does not (for instance, Mulan) simply because the kids don't like it much.
An opinion piece on why some are nostalgic for Mao. Some in Russia are nostalgic for the days of Stalin, which goes to show they don't make nostalgia like they used to.
ugh, that Abiola guy at Foreign dispatches is such a blow hard. Takes himself way too seriously and gets ape-shit when someone even offers an alternative hypothesis. Remind me not to visit his blog again.
There used to be an old joke floating around that people who paid money for bottled water from Evian were silly and that it was nothing more than a way for the manufacturers to call people "Naive" (Evian spelled backwards). Well, that could be, but not in China. There, it could be the difference between life or death.
Apparently the deputy director of China's State Environmental Protection Administration has admitted the underground water in 90 percent of China's cities are polluted:
The underground water in 90 percent of Chinese cities is polluted, China's environmental bureau said Wednesday, sparking concerns over the safety of drinking water for most of the 1.3-billion-strong population.
The deputy director of the State Environmental Protection Administration Zhang Lijun described the situation as "serious," China News Service said.
China is slowly starting to count the environmental cost of two decades of stellar economic growth, with industrial and human pollutants finding their way into the ecosystem.
"A survey showed that underground water in 90 percent of Chinese cities has been polluted by organic and inorganic pollutants, and there are signs that (the pollution) is spreading," it reported.
The pollution is generally caused by industrial waste from factories or untreated human waste discharged into rivers and then seeping into the ground.
Underground water is the source of drinking water for nearly 70 percent of China's population and is the source of some 40 percent of the country's agricultural irrigation, the report said.
It said the water pollution, which was worst in northern cities, was causing direct economic looses of tens of billion of yuan, or billions of dollars, not to mention "countless" indirect losses.
"In the next 25 years, China's water situation will face enormous pressure under a new round of economic growth," the report quoted Zhang as saying.
"It will be a key period as to whether (we) can limit the deterioration of water quality," he said.
This is far worse than the benzene spill a few weeks ago because it affects much more of the country's population and it's not like you can just filter the ground water as easily as you can that coming out of the river.
As the article states, there are also huge economic repercussions as a result of the pollution and it's only going to get worse as China continues to move forward with its modernization process while neglecting its responsibility to the environment.
The environment will suffer, the economy will suffer and in the end the people will suffer the most.
I read with interest this article on how a restaurant in Harbin has been carved out of 800 cubic meters of ice from the Sungari (Songhua) River. Similar to ice hotels and bars in Scandinavia, the restaurant is made completely out of ice, relieved and insulated only by very heavy carpets - patrons nevertheless must don heavy parkas. Allow me to quote the People's Daily:
It took workers more than 20 days to finish the construction, using some 800 cubic metres of ice, according to Liu.
The restaurant can hold some 100 people, with six large tables in the main hall and an adjacent separate room.
The most vivid design is the ice bar counter, where customers can sit on the ice stools while sipping hot drinks.
The main food offered in the restaurant is the traditional Northeast China's hotpot, with families or groups of friends sitting around a table to eat from a steaming pot in the middle.
But customers are advised to wear their thick winter clothes while enjoying the "extreme delicacy."
Thick carpet is laid on the floor to restrict the cold air from the ice floor below and the ice stools are all covered with woollen cushions.
"Of course, we aim to attract them to sit down not to freeze them," said Liu.
Liu said there was no need to worry about the hot air produced by the steaming hotpot melting the ice dome as it is very high up.
I found that last quote particularly amusing given the ill-famed effects the recent toxic spill into the river had on benzene levels in the H20. No need to worry indeed! I picture the writer a cross between an old-style Communist cadre and Alfred E. Newman.
But equally interesting are the ingredients put into the local hotpot, at least as listed by the People's Daily:"The restaurant is offering four special hotpot dishes, with some ingredients which can be rarely seen in common hotpot restaurants, such as meat of wild boar and deer, gnosis and ginseng, [the proprietor] said."
Now the other three I can understand, I grant you - but gnosis was something that rang a bell from my ancient philosophy classes. Allow me to quote from the Merriam-Webster dictionary online:"esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation."
Perhaps a bit more "gnosis" in hotpots everywhere in China would be a good thing. Especially with the water quality being what it is, people'll need it in the afterlife!
Chinese citizens are taking their first, tentative steps towards an American-style litigious society - or are they? If so, this example will certainly not set the class-action lawsuit industry ablaze in China. I read today about a female government official from Nanjing whose lap and private parts were badly scalded by a cup of boiling water accidentally spilled on her, apparently by a careless flight attendant on Northwest Airlines.
The captain took note of her injuries and asked two ground staff at Narita to take her to an airport clinic. But the airline would not pay US$200 for her, so she left without treatment, a decision that cost her 3 months of suffering.
What is the unfortunate woman asking in return? US$1, and apologies in major newspapers, a case she is fighting in a higher court in Hawaii. Methinks she may have better luck in getting good lawyers if she upped the ante slightly - by a factor of a hundred million, say. That tends to focus corporate attention.
To be clear, I do not expect tendentious lawsuits dragging their way through China's rickety court system anytime soon.:)
Oh, and if this story was not strange enough, a witness that said that she actually spilled the drink on herself was a Japanese missionary.
Mao Zedong was such a lunatic that even his successors running the Chinese Communist Party saw fit to largely disown his ideology. Even behind the clouded veil of recent Chinese history there is plenty of evidence that Mao is firmly ensconced in the pantheon of modern monsters. Which makes op-ed pieces like Pueng Vongs in today's SCMP almost criminal. The headline reads Still an inspirational leader, and in the spirit of Scrooge here's a Christmas fisking.
Almost 30 years after the death of Mao Zedong, many are still trying to define the controversial leader. But, like China, Mao defies simple classification. And his name still evokes deep respect amonst many Chinese.
That's only partly right. I was able to simply classify Mao in the previous paragrahp. But he does still have deep respect, which is more a testimony to the persistence of Mao's personality cult than anything else.
Today, Beijing officials will honour the 112th anniversary of Mao's birth...
...Outside the country, many Chinese around the world say Mao gave China back its dignity. Yun Shi, 31, who grew up in Shangdong province and now lives in California, recalls the poet, hero and liberator who rescued the Chinese from a "century of humiliation" - the 100 years of foreign domination following the Opium Wars. In founding the people's republic in 1949, "[Mao] annoucned in Tiananmen Square that the Chinese have stood up," Shi said.
More accurately, Mao waited until the Nationalists had fought back the Japanese and with Russian help and blackmail mangled the remaining Nationalists and declared himself liberator. 30 years of indoctination later...
Ms Shi doesn not discount the controversial leader's crimes. Her own family suffered during the communist takeover led by Mao before be became chairman. While she may not agree with Mao's tactics, she still belives in the principles of a fair society, she said.
The latest estimate is Mao was responsible for more than 73 million deaths. In case you're wondering, that's a record. But also note the sophistry at work here. Ms Shi believes in a "fair society". Mao did many things, but did he create a fair society? If you define fair as reducing everyone to the lowest common level while allowing a few cadres to grow rich and fat, including himself, well then I suppose that's one kind of "fairness". It's not what I would consider fair.
Not all Chinese see Mao in a favourable light. In Wild Swans, author Jung Chang chronicled the hardships her family endured as one of millions jailed or sent to the countryside for hard labour during the Cultural Revolution. In her recently release Mao: the Unknown Story, Chang uncovers a far darker side of Mao, much of it never before reported. After the book was released, Chinese came to Mao's defence on internet message boards, citing his contributions to China.
Jung and Halliday's book is banned in China.
Ling-chi Wang, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of California at Berkley, said that while Mao's wrongdoings cannot be discounted, he "made an important contribution to Chinese history, as a leader who instilled a great sense of self-reliance and pride in the people.
Self-reliance obviously includes starving and the follies of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. Again note the "yes, he was an evil bastard but..." line of logic. 73 million deaths is not the same as chopping a cherry tree and lying about it. Another reason to consider Berkeley the most left-wing place on the planet.
In San Fransisco, where Chinese form the city's single largest ethnic group, a restaurant in the Richmond district called Mao Zedong Village is a living homage to the former leader.
Shame 73 million patrons are food for Chinese worms. I'm looking forward to the review of San Fran's "Adolf's Bunker" and "Stalin's Dacha".
...Beijing has recently been using Mao's influence to advance its own agenda, said Chaohua Wang, editor of One China, Many Paths and a dissident. "As discontent grew in the countryside over the growing disparity betweem rich and poor, in the late 1990s the government began to talk about Mao to comfort those who were complaining," Mr Wang said.
They were being told to shut up or they could have someone similar to Mao come back. I've said this before - the gap between urban and rural people may be growing, but everyone in China is richer than during Mao's time. Some are getting richer faster, but everyone is better off.
Leaders like President Hu Jintao copied Mao, he said, travelling to villages in the countryside [Where else would villages be? - Ed.], and emphasised MAo's achievements in making China strong". The message that they deliver was different from Mao's, however. Instead of speaking about "class struggles" against capitalism, as Mao did, they emphasised a "harmonious society".
That's because China has largely embraced capitalism and is far better for it. Hopefully Mao's spinning in his mausoleum.
Indeed, these days Mao is becoming more intertwined with China's spectacular rise. Shanghai-born Miachel Xin, 42, a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley, is in awe of what his country has become. And he says Mao gets a partial nod for laying the foundations.
Note the Chinese born people named in the article are largely too young to have been touched by Mao's madness. This final paragraph makes no sense at all. How has Mao become more "intertwined" with China's spectacular rise? I previously looked at a report on China's fight against poverty. Let me reproduce the first three conclusions:
1. The biggest and easiest gains came from undoing collectivization and giving individuals the responsibility for farming. In other words, Communism doesn't work.
2. Reducing taxes the poor face helps alleviate poverty. In other words, the less the Government interferes, the quicker people get out of poverty.
3. China benefited from a relatively equitable land distribution when collectives were broken up. Given what the country had to go through to get to that point, it's a silver lining in a very black cloud. Nevertheless it emphasises the importance of land reform and distribution in poverty alleviation.
China's rise came about from undoingMao's work. China's recent spectacular rise has occured not because of what Mao did, but because of what Deng Xiapong and others did in reversing Mao's madness. Why the hell does the SCMP print rubbish like this?
It boils down to something very simple: does the means justify the ends? Especially if those ends are so obviously wrong? 73 million dead Chinese say no.
In full agreement, even about the restaurant being in poor taste. Although I did eat at Singapore's House of Mao many times - so I admit that I can be a complete hypocrite when a good buffet is involved. For that matter, I also ate at the Hello Kitty cafe. While the mouthless one isn't nearly as bad a Mao, she's still evil.
There's a Hello Kitty Cafe? I really don't want to know...but, what on earth does it serve?
Posted by dishuiguanyin at December 26, 2005 11:54 PM
It has been a while - haven't been in HK since 2001 - but mostly Hello Kitty-imprinted food. Pure evil. It may, god willing, have gone out of business.
"Mao is also a kitsch favorite among designers. Canton-born New York designer Vivienne Tam sells T-shirts of Mao in pigtails and says she admires a leader who can dictate the fashion of a billion people."
Yes, I suppose Mao's admirable knack of collective fashion sense was one of his greatest gifts foisted upon China's loving people. Second only to the inspirational collective farming movement that he also "dictated".
"Xin says he was once approached by a Taiwanese vice-president of an American high-tech company who told him that he owed his business success to Mao’s books on the “Sword” and “Practice” theories of dealing with conflict and motivating people."
I can't imagine what a gratifying pleasure it would be to work for that guy's company. I suppose the HR employees would go by the moniker of "Red Guards".
" Ling-chi Wang, professor of ethnic studies at U.C. Berkeley, says that while Mao’s wrongdoings cannot be discounted, “Mao made an important contribution in Chinese history, as a leader who instilled a great sense of self-reliance and pride in the people.”"
I wish too that my country, the United States, would go back to the spirit of hard work and self reliance that Mao himself exhibited daily, swimming 9 miles across the Yangtze River at age 73. His instillment of these honorable virtues, as well as a sense of pride in being a nation with such an enlightened Leader, through the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution helped his people break the ties of slavery that had bound them to the West. In fact, the Great Leader never suffered from that Western affliction known as hypocrisy and suffered along with his people during the noble Times Of Transition. Still, very few actual deaths occurred during these prideful years, and the claims of "73 million" are simply examples of the mendacity of the reprobate Taiwanese. In fact, Mao can be applauded for laying the foundations for the current Chinese boom, attributable to innovative Cultural Revolution programs such as the re-education of the Bourgeoisie and groundbreaking reform of the Chinese school system.
The only thing I would change here is calling Mao a 'lunatic.'
Lunacy is synonymous with insanity. Hitler is often given the title of 'lunatic' or 'madman.' I think these descriptions intend to describe the insanity that these men wrought; but as a description of their personalities, I think they were really quite sane.
Leading a country -- whatever system it is -- is like directing a movie. There are many balls that you have to keep in the air. There's a lot of management and balance required. A lunatic could not run a country any more than he could make a great movie.
I don't mean to quibble over such a small thing. But I think seing people like Mao and Hitler as sane people, not lunatics, underscores their true enduring quality: evil.
Lunatics cannot be truly evil, because they have no real control over themselves. Evil is the work of sane people who have deep hatred and the skills necessary to lead people into the abyss.
Mao should be remembered as evil, not crazy.
Posted by Marcus Cicero at December 27, 2005 07:29 AM
Marcus, excellent point and well taken. I suppose "madness" in this context is not to excuse Mao's actions, for they were meticulously planned and not random. It is a measure that by our common, decent standards what he did was mad - outside our typical frames of reference.
Bravo, Marcus. It often seems to me that branding an especially despicable person a "lunatic" diminishes that person's evil. And evil it is - if you cannot use the term to describe Hitler and Stalin and Mao, then you cannot use it at all. Sane human beings make choices, and they are responsible for what they do. Lunatics are not.
total pop increase about 80% from 1949-1976 (27 years), even after 32M lost between 1959-1961 and a couple more millions in early 1950s and various internal struggles.
from 1940 to 1949 only 30% growth in 110 years.
there are a lot more culprits who deserve similar condemnation but were mostly forgotten, among them, Hong Xiuquan of Taiping, CKS's bigger fisaco, Qing's corrupted management, warlords, Japanese invaders...
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the apologists do have a point. despite all the crimes of Mao. he did bring peace to China. and peace (with wealth redistribution), led to pop growth from 1949-1980.
Asiapundit rounds up The Economist's articles on China's sex toy industry, Japanese humanised robots and after the Dalai Lama.
Japan's population starts shrinking. There's an obvious solution to this demographic time-bomb...it's called immigration. Yes, it's really as simple as that.
Today, on my own blog, I wrote about the misadventures of the French expeditionary force organized to rescue the embattled Legations of Peking during the siege of the Boxer Rebellion in 1900. But while the French force mustered to save the Legations left much to be desired, many of the Frenchmen on the spot demonstrated tremendous bravery. One of them was a 22-year old French scholar named Paul Pelliot. Although not trained as a soldier (he was an academic that just unfortunately happened to be in Peking during the Siege), under fire he stormed an emeny position, and also relieved the dietary stress on the defenders by procuring for them fresh fruit.
True reknown came to him though, in his academic and archaelogical discoveries. He discovered a huge number of paintings and scrolls in many places near the Taklamakan Desert, including Dunhuang, which he felt were endangered by the anarchic last days of the Qing Empire and safer in French hands. So he bought them from a monk at the monastery named Abbot Wang.
Both were reviled by the Nationalist and Communist governments for giving away priceless Chinese artifacts. In Dunhuang today, you can still see a mini-museum dedicated to what they called the cultural robbers of men like Paul Pelliot and Sir Aurel Stein.
Which is why I was so surprised to read an article today about a joint Sino-French expedition, almost 100 years after Pelliot first set out for China, that discovered several ancient cities from the Western Han dynasty over 2000 years ago, on the southern fringe of the Taklamakan Desert (which means, he who goes in, will not come out - I can tell you from personal experience the area is so vast and arid that it can be believed at face value). Funny how things change!
People have been debating for several years about whether or not Hong Kong truly is a World City, and whether the label Asia's World City is really appropriate for a city with such a homogenous population.
Well, today at the opening of the rather ambitious exhibition facility near the airport called the Asiaworld-Expo, Donald Tsang unintentionally gave us some insight into this claim:
When we adopted the brandname ‘Asia’s World City’ for Hong Kong a few years ago, it was intended to be partly descriptive and partly aspirational. We have since been working hard to live up to the promise of being a premier city in the region and beyond. With the opening of AsiaWorld-Expo, we have turned another small part of our vision into reality.
So the Don is admitting that Hong Kong is trying, but it ain't there yet...
Well, "World City" counts a whole number of criteria and a homogenous population is actually rather here nor there. GaWC (Globalization and World Cities Study Group & Network), based at Loughborough University had the following study, which rates Hong Kong with 10 points (London, Paris, NYC and Tokyo get the full 12), putting it equal with Singapore. Demographics for Tokyo have 3% non-Japanese, compared with 4% in Hong Kong for non-Chinese. Singapore is actually the most multicultural (Chinese 77%, Malay 14%, Indian 7.6%, other 1.4%) of the 3 Asian "Alpha" World Cities...
The title is a subversion of a silly, immature T-shirt often sported during the cold war, replete with a mushroom cloud, that read: "Peace Through Superior Firepower".
I refer to the issuance today by China of a White Paper on Peaceful Development. The full text, for anyone with a lot of time on his/her hands, is here. It is basically saying that China is big, it just wants to make money for its people and leave the world alone, and by doing so it will make the world a better place. Let's leave aside the environmental challenge posed by China's coal-based industrialization for the moment, and discuss how it will really affect the international political environment. Little has been written on this subject so far.
Discussion below the jump.
I would argue that China's rise, particularly if the United States retreats from some of its international obligations, will actually mean that the United Nations will become an organization more closely aligned with its original founding principles.
China has been a big fan of the UN since taking its rightful place on the Security Council in 1972 from Taiwan - indeed, it has been a bigger fan of democracy in international relations than in domestic policy. In recent years, the UN has become rather activist, and has been brought in on several occasions to effect nation-building. Overall, too, after the end of the Cold War there has been a greater willingness worlwide to tolerate multilateral interventions in states the world community considers to be failing, whether due to human rights violations, the persecutions of minorities, or otherwise.
But the chief purpose of the United Nations, when it was founded in 1945, was to stop countries from invading each other (specifically, Germany and Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland) and the most sanctified virtue of the original UN Charter was that nations always had the right of sanctity in its own internal affairs. But the rise and fall of the Iron Curtain, and the many momentous events during and after, made that principle subordinate to other considerations (with the exception of Bush I invoking the sanctity of sovereignty of Kuwait after Saddam invaded it).
Now China, given its political set-up, rather likes that principle, and does not really care for countries being able to attack one another, particularly over differences in how a country should treat its own people. The guiding philosophy for Chinese international relations in the 21st century is set out in this white paper - we make money, you'll make money too, and we'll all be happy - happy enough to leave each other alone in terms of internal issues. It invokes Chinese history constantly to prove its point.
The trouble, as I've said before, that what China considers 'internal affairs', its own 'Monroe Doctrine', if you like, has been a continually shifting set of territories. France and China went to war in 1884, for instance, over who had a stronger sphere of influence in Vietnam (China lost, but evidently tried to re-establish it unsuccessfully in 1979). China has throughout history tried to exert its influence in much the same way a Godfather (in the Puzo sense) does, in setting up tributary relations for all bilateral ties. Let us hope China does not revert to historical norm on this front as well.
i think the 2 wars on vietnams are quite different
1st war: france was trying to colonize vietnam, while china was defending a protectorate (presumably at the request of the country being invaded) -- this is what i thought but i haven't done the research yet. anyhow, the objectives were quite different. (this is not to say Qing did not want to make vietnam a province if it could). but to the vietnamese, being a protectorate is a lesser evil than being colonized.
2nd war: it is not about vietnam, it is about cambodia. to drag away vietnam's army so that there was less pressure on the cambodian pro-china force.
another view (e.g., Liu Yazhou) inside china was that carter needed some reassurance that China was indeed breaking from USSR (so that US would be supportive of its reform), and Deng showed the proof to Carter by warring vietnam.
IMO the 1979 was perhaps the only real invasive war of CCP China, and perhaps the only invasiion since 1842. i.e. one motivated by something outside china's own territorial view or self-defense. However, the objective was not for 're-establishing' the 18th century order.
Hi Sun Bin, I quite agree that the two wars were quite different. I was only extracting one similarity from them, which was that in both China was trying to maintain or establish its role as regional hegemon. China was certainly not a welcome force in Annam in the late 19th century, except of course for the ethnic Chinese that played an influential role in the cities. Quite different, I think, from the Korean example (in 1895).
I am hopeful that China will break away from, as you say, any attempt to re-establish the Qianlong-era set of state-to-state relations in China. I also agree that
It is just that it is continuously promoting its own 'peaceful' past through its storied dynastic histories with neighbors - it seems to have become modish to do so. I just wanted to point out some rather obvious shortcomings of this recurrent theme.
"IMO the 1979 was perhaps the only real invasive war of CCP China, and perhaps the only invasiion since 1842. i.e. one motivated by something outside china's own territorial view or self-defense."
What about their attack on India in the early 1960s?
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 22, 2005 06:00 PM
The clear driver of China's love of UN principles is Taiwan, with a nice sideline in being able to expand its sphere of influence without the Americans. If, like China, you define Taiwan as an internal issue, then the UN is great. But as Dave points out, China's history points the wrong way - towards making vassals of allies. In the US China may have finally found one potential ally (and rival) that it clearly cannot make a vassal, except perhaps economically.
But if recent history has shown us anything, it's that the current rulers of China are far more like previous rulers than they would have you believe. Which makes the chances of history repeating far more likely without strong vigilence from others. That's where the role for the UN in China will be in the future. And China may not like it.
What perchance is so troubling about a return to historical Chinese hegemony in Asia? I know that the Chinese government categorically denies any such objectives and constantly denounces "hegemonism" especially on part of the United States, yet the end result of long term economic and political growth will inevitably result in such a situation. I would posit that Chinese domination of the Western Pacific is hardly the nightmare scenario that the Pentagon envisions and hardly unpleasant for countries on China's periphery. Asia dominated by a giant communist dictatorship does not sound particularly appealing, yet if historical trends are anything to go by, it is hardly destabilizing. If anything, Chinese hegemony in the Western Pacific has been the geopolitical norm for two millenia with the most recent two centuries being the exceptions. While Chinese domination is hardly an easy sell, the past has has shown that such a position has in truth fostered peace, and economic activity within Asia. Ironically, it has been periods when the Chinese state has been weakest and most vulnerable that conflict was most likely to appear. While the tributary state system has its disavantages, the fact that the relationship is hierarchical and dilineates clear positions for state actors removes the uncertainty so inherently dangerious in the Westphalian model of inter-state relationships. Inequality between states may be built into such a system, yet it only makes public what already exists.
the border war in 1962 was the biggest lie in western media during the cold war. india invaded china and china was jsut defending its own borders. see here (by american and british scholars)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/1962war.htm
Jing, I'm not sure the people of Japan, Korea, Vietnam or Thailand are ready for a return to Chinese hegemony. In modern times even the USA struggles to assert hegemony within its supposed sphere of influence. We're in an age of sovereign nations that respect each other...aren't we?
There are problems comparing modern day hegemony to China. China in the past, even during its expansionist periods was largely a continental power, its influence remote in most of what we call modernday Asia. I would hardly compare it to the global and far reaching hegemony enjoyed by the USSR or the USA.
I would also argue against the so-called stability of the tributary system. In the past China has more often than not been destabilizing force in regards to its neighbors. This should be viewed from the perspective of its neighbors, and not a sinocentric view. China has historically demanded subservient tributary relations, or military dominance through invasion or other military force. Taken from a non-Chinese Asian view, I would hardly describe China as having fostered peace in Asia.
Posted by everlasting at December 23, 2005 10:55 AM
Does the US fail to exert influence on the Anglosphere? Britain, Australia....American power is still going strong I'd say. Today there are sovereign states, but weaker states orbit around more powerful ones. Britain, Japan and South Korea would never dare defy the USA.
A powerful China is most certainly NOT a return to the tributary system. Gone are the days of "barbarians and Empires". The only unfulfilled claim of the PRC is Taiwan - the Chinese Civil War is unfinished business. If/Once that is settled, the PRC has no reason to sabre-rattle anyone, anywhere. Sit back and let the economy continue to grow.
A war with the USA will totally destroy the advancements of the Deng era and throw China back into the stone age after a hailstorm of nuclear rain from the USA. And then the weak China of the 19th century appears again, and bits and pieces of the country fall apart. NOT the scenario Beijing wants to see.
I quite agree with Simon and everlasting on their comments. As for ptan, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the US and China will be going to war. However, the US is definitely doing less these days to engage the nations of Asia on a full range of issues on which they are all interested, having until recently defined their main interest as counter-terrorism. The US is also now contemplating a scale-back of its military presence worldwide, including in Asia. This will leave a little bit of a vacuum (only a little since the US is far from disengaging completely) but this by default gives China more room to develop its own role as a regional hegemon.
As expected Donald Tsang's constitutional reforms were voted down in Legco. While a bitter Chief Secretary Rafael Hui had a go, the key question is what will The Don do now? He's off to Beijing next week for instructions and there are two very different paths. The first is to simply say that he tried, he offered and it was rejected and so the status quo will remain until there is a broader consensus on how to move forward. He'll bury the idea in various committees and commissions and the democrats tactical victory will end up being a strategic defeat. The second is The Don decides to engage the democrats and try again on a new package.
The first is the more likely path. The Don came out and said there will be no new proposals on the 2007/8 elections. No doubt The Don worked hard to convince Beijing of the merits of the now defeated package, and Beijing aren't going to cave in to the demands of 24 legislators in Hong Kong. The boys in Beijing will emphasise their support for The Don, especially as we now have Anson Chan as the unofficial leader of the opposition.
The democrats will enjoy the headlines and kudos for the next few days. In the actual vote they played a smart political game and ran rings around the government and pro-Beijing forces. But what have they achieved? They've rejected a positive step forward towards universal suffrage for the longer term goal of a timetable. They have reduced the chances of eliminating appointed district councillors; they have rejected a chance to expand the electoral college that elects the Chief Executive in 2007; they've rejected an expansion in the Legco for 2008 that would likely benefit them and remove the functional constituency veto. Perversely, the democrats have voted to stymie democratic reform and played into Beijing's hands. Beijing and The Don can now say they offered progress and were rejected. Beijing has won thanks to the democrats. This game makes for odd bedfellows.
In short, they've gone for a double or nothing strategy, but with nothing looking the more likely outcome. It highlights the short-termism that pervades the democrats in Hong Kong. It is all well and good to be a purist and hope for an instant transition to full democracy. But politics is the art of the possible and as such it involves compromise and messy reality, not high ideology. The lack of courage and leadership from the democrats is as lamentable as it was predictable.
Unfortunately, Hong Kong is the loser.
Update (14:15) Daisann McLane reports on an extraordinary night for Hong Kong politics in Slate. She yet again mentions "her friend Hemlock". But will she go to jail to protect her sources? And what's with calling locals "Hong Kongese"? For the curious, Hemlock mentioned her back in March (Tuesday, 8th March) and she him in her piece on Long Hair. Hemlock's more switched on than we thought.
Elsewhere, Gateway Pundit gets it completely wrong and shows what happens when you buy into an issue based on glib media reports. Make sure you read the comments from Conrad. God I miss his blogging.
(19:10) LfC looks at local media reaction and wonders if they are all reporting on the same thing?
Simon, I sympathize with all of your arguments because they all make sense. However, hear out this counter-argument. In a broader sense, the weight of all authority and power is in the hands of China, and through the leaders in Beijing, Donald Tsang. They have the ultimate right to change all the rules of the road.
The only source of power and authority on the side of the democrats is people power and mass demonstrations, as a way of demonstrating (literally) that they have the will of a substantial number of people on their side. If 100,000 turned out in support of the democratic cause, and against the too-slow reform process advocated by Donald Tsang, not only were they empowered by this rally, but it also places on them a positive obligation not to betray the cause of the rally and the people that turned out in their support.
In that sense, I sympathize with the decisions made by the democrats entirely.
Dave, I hear you but disagree. Firstly if you look at the polls in the SCMP a few days ago, it's not clear that 100,000 people represent a majority opinion. While I accept the march made democrats feel they need to hold the line against the reforms, I'm arguing there was a case here for the democratic leadership to accept the package, with provisos and improvements such as elimination of appointed district councillors and even a timetable towards a timetable. If the democrats had gone to The Don and said we will vote for if you do some of these things, instead of being implaccably opposed and ideological, it would have advanced the cause far more than yesterday's vote. Better a "too slow" process than none at all. And I fear that none at all is what we're left with.
We are disagreeing over the ability of the democrats to lead their people rather than follow, in Sir Gordon Wu's words, "mob" rule.
I think though that the goalposts (in terms of the reform package) are totally arbitrary, and the democrats realize that China can move them at any time. It is perhaps a risky gambit, yes, to think that the government will eventually be forced to come up with a new proposal.
I think what we also disagree on is that this will indeed be the best offer that the Don (as China's mouthpiece) provides Hong Kong. China has proven more flexible in the past on certain issues,and while they are not used to negotiating with subordinate politicians, I am sure there will be a better offer tabled in the next 12 months.
But yesterday's vote serves as a reminder to China of why they are allowing some gradual political liberalization in Hong Kong in the first place - the status quo is unacceptable. While you are right that something is better than nothing, it is also good to bear in mind how laughably short of full democracy by 07/08, which is what the Basic Law allows, these proposals are. For a place as rich as Hong Kong, having half of the legislative vote explicitly determined by rich tycoons is a disgrace.
The vote yesterday, in my view, is simply part of a drawn-out negotiated process with China over how many years in terms of a 'fudge factor' the CCP needs to add to the 07/08 timeframe for their own comfort level.
According to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald speaking Mandarin requires more brain power than speaking English:
Mandarin speakers use more areas of their brains than people who speak English, scientists said, in a finding that provides new insight into how the brain processes language.
Unlike English speakers, who use one side of their brain to understand the language, scientists at the Wellcome Trust research charity in Britain discovered that, in Mandarin, both sides of the brain are used to interpret variations in sounds.
Interestingly enough, I have mixed thoughts on this topic. Many Chinese believe that it's difficult for foreigners to write Chinese characters while I've found the written language much easier to conquer than the spoken language.
I've also spoken to many Chinese students in the US who believe mastering the English language is the hardest thing they've ever done, but I suppose that depends on the individual because there are many people who are able to pick up foreign languages without a great deal of effort. Still, some say it is impossible to decide which is the most difficult language to learn.
Hmm... I found Chinese to be probably the easiest thing I've ever done... But I already spoke English natively, and have a pretty good command of Japanese too. So I could just look at the written characters and pick up their meaning due to kanji from Japanese, and then apply English grammar to the sentence and pretty much understand it. Speaking and listening of course took more work, but it wasn't really all that hard. Granted I have no where come close to mastering Chinese as I only took two years of it in college (an American taking Chinese at a Japanese University was quite a site for the Chinese teacher who was teaching in Japanese) so maybe Chinese is one of those languages that's east at first and gets hard the further you go.
The way I explain it to Chinese who are frustrated that their English fluency doesn't match my Chinese fluency is:
There is threshold ability (the ability to get the point across), and mastery. English is such a fluid language that it is much easier to get to the point where you can make yourself understood, but that same fluidity makes it nearly impossible to use with complete accuracy. Whereas Chinese (with its multiple tones, excessive homonyms, and writing system that has only tangential connections to pronunciation) has a much higher threshold...but once you achieve that threshold, mastery/fluency is not much harder to achieve.
While the delegates have flown home, the impact of the WTO meeting on Hong Kong is far exceeding the impact Hong Kong had on the WTO.
1. The government is to promote spending in Wan Chai and Causeway Bay to help shopkeepers make up for the losses they copped for being closed for a week.
2. Peter Gordon suggests the government establish a free trade think tank here in Hong Kong, helping advance our claim to being "Asia's World City".
3. 11 Korean protesters were denied bail but their detainment conditions were improved, while the potential for more serious charges to come later this week was also raised. As a sideline there's the potentially interesting case of a mainlander also arrested but claiming mistaken identity. The Korean government minister visiting Hong Kong has now apologised twice to the city, but also said the protesters will not face any action on their return to Korea. If the law operates properly these protesters will be prosecuted and if found guilty thrown into jail. Demonstrating Hong Kong's adherence to rule of law would tell protesters that they are not above the law. They abused Hong Kong's hospitalilty and whatever their grievances with the WTO, their rioting and destruction was not justified. Think I'm being biased? Try this from Doug Crets in The Standard:
After apologizing publicly for the violent clashes for a second time, Lee said the actions of the protesters were not directed at the Hong Kong government and consequently they did not deserve further punishment by the Korean government on their return.
"I [have] asked the authorities to give some special favor to look into this matter. The demonstration had nothing to do with the sovereignty of the Hong Kong government," Lee said.
In short, the South Korean government is asking for the Hong Kong government to exempt their protesters from the typical workings of the law. But wait, there's more:
A small public relations storm erupted over the weekend as some nongovernment organizations and sympathizers with the Koreans' cause alleged that police overreacted to the protest Saturday. But eyewitness accounts by reporters from The Standard support claims that police action was commensurate with the level of violence.
For more than four hours police warned the Koreans to assemble peacefully and that violent action would be met "with force." Tear gas was only used when the mob became unruly.
But these police didn't do that. They stuck to rigid positions. They followed protocols. They reacted to an action, they didn't, as far as I could tell, create an action. In fact, the very actuality that the Koreans were able to break through Central Plaza to get that far to the convention center tells me that the Koreans kept pushing till they broke the riot police's ideological stance. After that happened, it was all reaction, and then a clamping down.
As I have said before, these demonstrations were about power and control.
What I want to know is, can anyone tell me how I can arrange to spray paint the United States Consulate General and get away with it? Seriously, how does that happen?
4. The most interesting thing to come out of the WTO meeting was the local collaborative effort Curbside @ WTO. A joint venture between the University of Hong Kong's New Media course, blogger ESWN and The Standard newspaper was an outstanding success. Executive editor Susan Rossi, from The Standard, tells us of a virtual triumph for new media. For those interested in the intersection between blogging and mainstream media, this is a must read. Unlike their competition, who were begging for "citizen journalists", The Standard actually put it together and it worked well. For such ad-hoc, fast moving events, this kind of real time news has given us a glimpse of the future of media. It was a true combination of citizen and professional journalism. Best of all, The Standard actually gets it. Here's hoping this experiment was the first of many. ESWN also sums up his impressions of the Curbside experiment, optimistically concluding:
The core team for Curbside will be dispersed after they complete their coursework. Each one of them will probably have their own weblogs and/or fotoblogs. However, there was a moment in time when they all got together to work on a group project that was much bigger than the sum of each one of them.
As reported previously, China's GDP was revised up by almost 17% yesterday. This was thanks to a large revision in the contribution by the services sector. But some economists still consider the figures understated, perhaps by as much again as this revision. From the SCMP:
The long-underestimated service sector now has a GDP ratio of 41 per cent after the revision, up from 35 per cent. But Mr Tao said this ratio of the booming service sector was still too low, and up to 220 billion yuan was probably underreported.
"Anybody who has been to both India and China would tell you that China's service sector is as robust as India's, if not more ... China's GDP ratio of its service sector should at least come closer to India's 52 per cent," he said. Mr Tao said the underestimation was a combined result of an underground economy, tax evasion and currency undervaluation. He said sectors such as catering, hospitals and construction were prone to data collection faults...
Economist Andy Xie from Morgan Stanley said the lack of an independent national statistics agency was the major reason behind the unreliability of economic statistics as local authorities would tend to "massage" statistics.
Some other implications:
1. China is now the world's sixth largest economy, behind the USA, Japan, Germany, Britain and France.
2. Several elements of China's government spending are set for big rises, especially education, health and defence, as these are usually set as a percentage of GDP. However the question will be how the Government will pay for these increases - just because the statistics say there's a jump in GDP, it doesn't mean the money magically appears in the coffers.
3. China's per capita GDP is higher again, taking the country to 107th in the world from 112th. Everyone in China is 17% richer than they were yesterday. I somehow doubt it will spark a consumption boom.
There is a rather interesting article demonstrating the greed and fear with which California's agricultural kingpins regard China. It is worth reading just for its reminder of how to track the rise of China's bourgeoisie:
You want to track the middle class, check the refrigerators," says Robert Tse, director of trade for the California Department of Food and Agriculture.
Incidentally, I've read that the domestic fridge market was 14 million in 2003 but told that it was closing in on 20 million this year.
Oh sorry, perhaps I did not make it clear that I was talking only about refrigerator demand in China. We've all been chatting lately about when China will have enough of a midle class that will start demanding some political reform. Keeping tabs on the size of that middle class is therefore a rather interesting subject!
a fridge in china cost 1000-3000 RMB. about the average monthly income in the cities. so i am not sure if that is the best indicator for middle class.
as for china's market size. there are about 400M urban pop, about 140M families. so 14M/yr is about right assuming a replacement cycle of 10 years. the grow is not a lot comapred with 10 years ago (which was 9M)
this means fridge is not widespread in the rural yet. the demand for TV set, which has high penetration inrural as well (>90%), is about 30M/yr
History in the making. I wonder if any enterprising economic historians have thought to explore what the history of taxation has to tell us about human history and progress?
Compare and contrast: China will officially scrap all agricultural taxes, a tax that has existed for 2,600 years. On the other hand, Gaungzhou is to introduce a capital gains tax on property to curb speculation. We've gone from taxing the produce of the land to taxing the value of the land itself. That's progress for you.
On a completely different note, Skinhua brings you Yu Na in bikinis, helpfully labelling it "hot". Thank goodness China's official media outlet is leading the crackdown on declining morality.
To remain fresh, the deep-water tuna must be stored at -55 Celsius to remain fresh for the consumer. Once it is not, tuna changes in color from a deep red color to a brownish shade. Given that such low temperatures are not possible in China, tuna is often treated with carbon monoxide. This is potentially quite damaging for the consumer's health, particularly the kidneys.
The report quoted a local tuna expert, Professor Wu Jiale of the Shanghai Fisheries University, as saying on last Thursday that a study group he heads has finished drafting an industry standard for tuna eaten raw as Sashimi. The draft, now submitted to the Ministry of Agriculture, is expected to go into effect next year.
It may affect nearly all the restaurants and supermarkets in Shanghai offering tuna Sashimi, industry insiders worried, because most of the tuna on the local market is treated in this way.
In the meantime, we suggest everyone stick to turkey for the holiday period...unless you noticed it was sneezing a fair bit and had chills before it met its maker.
I'm glad they'll get around to banning it next year - there's no rush. After all, people have been eating such treated sushi for years in Shanghai without ill effect.
Yes HKMacs, but then imagine the lines! We'd need to establish system with some sort of pecking order to prevent fowl play...
Ugh...no more pun attempts from me today.
Simon I quite agree that the human body, so far, has demonstrated quite remarkable powers of survival despite man's best efforts to poison himself.
Perhaps the real story here is the fact that despite massive anti-Japanese sentiment, people in China still have the stomach for Japanese food (unlike some grannies I know).
After reading this article on organic food apparently being on the rise in Asia, I am prompted to ask the readership this question: when in Chinese, produce is labeled 'green food', does that mean it's organic, or is that just a meaningless label any produce-grower can stick on its vegetables? I've wondered every since I started seeing packs of 'green food' bok choy and choi sum in my local Park N Shop.
All of is grown in China, which naturally has thus far prevented me from actually buying any of it or allowing myself to have any faith at all in the 'organic'-ness of the produce in terms of not using dangerous pesticides, etc.
Park N Shop and Carrefour both advertise 'organic' produce in their stores here in GZ. A neighbor of ours was the general manager of a Carrefour store in GZ and my tai-tai asked him just how 'organic' thier produce was. He told us that Carrefour has representatives that visit these farms often and inspect the site and test the produce for any sort of chemical additives.
Knowing that companies such as McDonald's actively monitor their suppliers of beef and potatoes to ensure everything meets their quality standards...I felt Carrefour's efforts were probably honest.
Park N Shop, on the other hand, I am not certain what their policies or procedures are.
Based on the above...my tai-tai shops at Carrefour when she can.
Err, I wouldn't say that at all - though Will and I do have opinions about the "transportation claim." There is a lot of shoddy and pay-for-good-press journalism here, but I've met some pretty solid Chinese reporters as well. On the pay for coverage stuff, judging from a weekend conversation, that may be the case at some expat- oriented and staffed magazines as well.
Let's not just single out Chinese journos, either. Recent American media history has given us plenty of examples of dubious journalistic ethics in the home of the free and land of the brave.
Now the WTO carnival has left town, it's time to focus on Wednesday's Legco vote on Donald Tsang's constitutional reforms. It looks very likely that the democratic camp will veto the changes, even after The Don today offers to phase out appointed democratic councillors by 2015 (nothing happens quickly in this game). Everyone is pondering what next, with The Don flying to Beijing next week to get further instructions and to shore up his position even though he's screwed up the one thing Beijing tasked him with doing in his 2 year apprenticeship.
Below the jump are the results of a poll done by the SCMP on what Hong Kongers think about the democracy reforms. People are split on whether the reforms should be passed, but a pluarity think the pace towards universal suffrage will slow if Legco vetoes the package. It's another perverse example of the democrats vetoing the package despite it conferring many advantages for them. Wang Xiangwei in the SCMP says a veto plays into Beijing's hands:
If democrats hold up hopes that the veto of the reform package could pressure Beijing to make more concessions on the timetable for universal suffrage, they are seriously mistaken. The rejection of the package would play right into the hands of Beijing, which has no intention to accelerating political developments in Hong Kong.
From Beijing's perspective, when the late paramount leader Deng Xiaoping laid down the rules that "everything remains unchanged" in Hong Kong for 50 years after 1997, the package was wholesale, meaning that neither the economic system nor the political system should change much. Following this logic, for any timetable on universal suffrage, Hong Kong people would have to wait until after 2047. It may sound depressing, but that seems to be Beijing's bottom line...
After the rejection of the package, Beijing is most likely to adopt a policy of "sitting tight in the face of 10,000 changes" on the political developments in Hong Kong, to borrow a Chinese proverb. However, that does not mean mainland officials will pay less attention. In fact, they are most likely to heighten their alerts as the December 4 march has stoked their fears about the impact of Hong Kong's democratisation on mainlanders.
Ever since the recent series of "velvet revolutions" in neighbouring Central Asian nations such as Kyrgyzstan, Beijing has become paranoid about such a revolution spreading to China and has begun taking tougher measures against dissenters.
The Lychee revolution? That said, when you read James Tien's SCMP piece today, you'll understand why vetoing is the only way. It begins:
Imagine you are the parent of a young child. One day, that child begins to crawl. How would you react? Would you encourage the child and look forward to the day it will take its first steps, or would you tie the child to a bedpost and announce that you will force it to sit still until it can walk properly?
With analogies like that, there is no alternative but to veto. The far more clever pro-Beijing forces are hoping the democrats veto the package because of the benefits it confers on the democratic camp. Again the SCMP:
Many are privately hoping the proposal, which they see as favourable to the democrats, will be voted down.
A leader of one pro-Beijing organisation said quite a number of those in the leftist camp were viewing the administration's woes over the reforms with indifference. "Many would actually prefer the existing electoral arrangements to remain intact."
The leftists don't care much for Donald Tsang but aren't brave enough to stand up to him...yet.
So what will happen after Wednesday? Nothing. The democrats still won't have a timetable, and they won't have the potential for electoral advantage either. If the democrats could see past their short term politicking they might realise that sometimes large change is best achieved by gradual steps. This is an opportunity wasted by the democrats.
In the end, it is simply a battle of wills, isn't it, between a parent and a child. Logic in such power plays (as I am sure you are aware Simon!) plays generally a secondary or tertiary role. Except in this case, if Hong Kong is the child, it is much wiser indeed about what it really needs and wants than the parent - and knows it.
Beijing already moved the goalposts a little by acknowledging the failures of their previous representative in Hong Kong, Tung Chee-Hwa. Unfortunately, I actually think the democrats do not believe that the Chinese have the political will to say that if the current reform bill does not pass, you will simply get nothing. They believe that China is afraid of democracy, but that it is even more afraid of social instability in Hong Kong. And because the democrats know that China can always go through some torturous cogitory exercise to justify anything they do in Hong Kong on the basis of the Basic Law - the same way the CCP justifies its current rule based on reinterpretations of Marxism-Leninism with Chinese characteristics.
WTO MC6: Wrap-upI was taught to avoid using double negatives, but sometimes it is the only way to explain a situation. And the results of the ministerial conference can be deemed a success only because they did not fail. There was limited progress on some fronts, with the final key agreements including:
1. All forms of agricultural export subsidies to be eliminated by 2013 - achieved in parallel and progressive manner. A substantial part to be realized by the end of the first half of the implementation period.
2. All forms of export subsidies for cotton to be eliminated by developed countries by 2006.
3. Developed countries will give duty and quota free market access for cotton exports by developing countries once the policy is implemented.
4. The 32 least developed countries will enjoy duty and quote free access for their products in 97% of all product categories, excluding rice and textiles, which the USA and Japan are protective about.
5. For service industry, countries will adhere to the Doha Ministerial Declaration and continue to aid the developing countries, as stated in the Modalities for the Special Treatment for Least-Developed Country Members in 2003.
So as the conference packs up and the baby products convention moves in, what have we learnt? The Korean rampage on Saturday night was, sadly, inevitable. Hong Kong's police did an outstanding job and made the city proud - compared to the chaos at both Seattle and Cancun this meeting went relatively well. I'll return to this later.
More importantly, have Hong Kongers learnt something from the Korean protesters? The spotlight swings back onto the constitutional reform package this week - will Hong Kongers gain a new sense of militancy? That could be an interesting legacy of the government's staging of the WTO.
The final question - which city on Earth would bother wanting to host the next ministerial?
Some have latched on to the couple of hundred locals who turned out in support of the Koreans as a sign of widespread support. That may have been true prior to Saturday night's chaos, but far less true today. In local eyes the violence of Saturday night shot down much of the sympathy locals had for the protesters.
Two excellent commentaries on Saturday's riots: Kevin Rafferty says the Koreans must be made to asnwer for the mayhem. He aptly compares the Koreans to football hooligans and says the same measures should be used in dealing with them.
The second great commentary is from Andrew Work of the Lion Rock Institute, who talks about the violent enemy within - a good hard look at the Korean Peasants League. He warns Hong Kong's trade unions not to pay any heed to the KPL example. He notes the Korean farmers have spent at least US$2 million for this week's protests, all to protect sixty-three percent of their income comes from government support totaling almost US$20 billion (HK$156 billion). Like a desperate heroin junkie, they are willing to resort to violence to ensure the next hit. All at to the cost of Korean taxpayers and consumers. They think their livelihood is more important than that of a street-sweeper, semiconductor factory worker or a single mother working as a waitress. If you feel any sympathy for the KPL, read that article.
Pascal Lamy's blog was last updated Saturday, but hopefully he'll have more to say.
The SCMP reports the Korean government is sending an envoy to ensure the release of their farmers. I do hope the HK Government will also leave the envoy with a bill for the damage caused.
Trade unionist and HK People's Alliance on WTO head Elizabeth Tang is rightly taken to task over yet another ridiculous press release. Thank goodness this thing's over so this group can disband...and Elizabeth Tang can return to be irrelevant.
Braving the wilds of Wan Chai, Spike reports first hand on the damage the riots did to the workers of Wan Chai.
Hemlock's got the right idea on what to do with the Korean arrestees:
Being in a merciful and rehabilitative frame of mind as we count down the days before Christmas, I urge my fellow commuters to consider a more educational approach. âWe should put the thugs to work on a prison farm,â I tell them, âthen make them sit in chains in street markets, trying to sell their produce at 10 times the price other stall holders are asking. For this, they would receive 10 dollars a day, but they would have to pay for their food. Their menu would have two options â“ Korean beef and rice for 25 dollars a bowl, or foreign beef and rice for 5 dollars. Plus extra kimchee for good behaviour in economics classes.â
I marched in the Sunday march out of curiosity. I was near the chicken guy and noted that he spent most of the march attempting to chat up the "Students 4 Fair Trade" girls.
Stay away from the jail bait, chicken guy.
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 19, 2005 12:10 PM
ha ha. Why am I not surprised. The cock was going after the hens.
Many people from Hong Kong, who can ironicly say with some pride that they don't know what it is like to be in the middle of a violent protest, made a mistake of getting too close. As did many of the media too inexperienced in this sort of thing to know better.
I imagine from on the ground it might not have looked clear. And yes after 28 hours with little or no sleep the police record is almost certainly not perfect. Boo hoo.
Water cannons are meant to drive people back. When they are far enough back they are turned off.
Pepper spray is Meant to be sprayed in the face.
I had not heard the tear gas one but I highly doubt one of the civil service disiplined units (hte police) would deliberately attack their colleagues in another disciplined unit.
As to the last one - very probably - as I said, 28 hours without sleep and people throwing large heavy objects at them, determined to do nothing but get past the police any way they could.
At the end of the day. Anyone who sticks their head in the lions mouth(journos and locals in this case) should expect a risk of getting it bit off.
The police repelled. In many other countries they would have charged. That shows remarkable restraint.
(Please excuse my typing - coordination is a bit off today)
BTW when I said people were fuming I was not only referring to the locals... the Korean farmers also were. Don't let the media fool you.
I imagine from on the ground it might not have looked clear. And yes after 28 hours with little or no sleep the police record is almost certainly not perfect. Boo hoo.
I think it is fair to expect a near-flawless record from "the Asia's finest police force". Either that or drop the stupid claim.
Water cannons are meant to drive people back. When they are far enough back they are turned off.
No, they were used AFTER people were retreating. Have a look at the TV footage again. And did they not say they would never ever use water cannons on people?
Pepper spray is Meant to be sprayed in the face.
No they are not. Have a look at the police guidelines sometime. They are only meant to be directed at the chests ONLY, at a distance of no less than 60cm, after adequate verbal warning.
The police repelled. In many other countries they would have charged. That shows remarkable restraint.
I'm not saying they were not showing restraint. They did. However we should be careful not to allow the police to use this incident to legitimize their increasing use of excessive force against protesters in future.
BTW according to the Korean press this is the first time ever their fellow citizens have been arrested for taking part in demonstrations overseas.
I'm a HK reporter who had personal experience with the chicken guy (a wanker, I was proud to get a peevish whining email from him) and the Koreans and the cops this last week.
Except for Fowl Tom, I think all others concerned conducted themselves fairly well. A little kerfuffle between kops and Koreans after all the polite posturing was to be expected. Nothing to get the proverbial panties in a wad about.
I also think anyone from the Lion Rock Institute should be taken with a gi-normous wad of shrimp paste.
Andrew's paranoid blathering reminded me of the folks in the US in the '60s and '60s railing about the "communist/socialist threat." He's just concerned that some of their activism may eventually result in something as radical as a minimum wage and maximum work week in Hong Kong.
The horror! The horror!
Spacehunt: if a person sprays graffiti on a consulate wall, they deserve to be arrested. If a person disobeys their previously agreed march permit, races down a major road and confronts police, they deserve to be arrested. If a person pushes and shoves against police, they deserve to be arrested. The Korean papers may not believe it, but police are there to uphold the law. When these protesters broke it, and they did, they were rounded up and taken away. Was the police response excessive? No. Check the link above to the Standard article - if you are a cop and a bunch of protesters is rushing at you with steel, you are entitled to use force. The key is proportionality, and the police were not disproportionate.
Spacehunt - I happily stand corrected on some of my points. I do not believe this will be used as a precedent. And I do not believe it was excessive.
George, Andrew may be radical in his beliefs which are for pure capitalism (Hong Kong is an example of that) amd no government intervention except to provide a level playing field. I would agree with him. As an entrepreneur and an employer the thought of a minimum wage and maximum working hours would be a disaster. The market should decide. Not governments else people like me who take risks that lead to other people having employment opportunities would never be able to get our small companies off the ground.
Simon: I am not saying that the Koreans should not be arrested. They clearly broke HK law, there's no argument about that. I am arguing, and I agree to disagree with you on this, that the police themselves have been using force illegally. I did not say whether they were using force proportionally or not, but should proportionality even matter? Surely you are not suggesting an eye for an eye here...
I think proportionality is the perfect word for it. You need to consider how much force is required to actually stop the protesters? It will, be definition, likely be more than that the protesters are using themselves. It has to be enough to regain control, to deter and to subdue. If someone is throwing a punch, throwing one back won't quell the situation. Spraying them with pepper spray might.
We can agree to disagree. I've seen the footage repeatedly and in a chaotic situation the police acting on impulse and instinct, but still within the bounds of proportionate response. Only two serious injuries is a testament to that.
Simon: There has to be better, more intelligent ways of using force to calm an angry mob than spraying pepper spray directly in the eyes of people. But yes, the police deserves credit for limiting the number of injuries on Saturday. Certainly much better than Cronulla.
Flagrant: Whether it will be used as a precedent or not, we will have to see. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, etc.
"There has to be better, more intelligent ways of using force to calm an angry mob than spraying pepper spray directly in the eyes of people."
Like what, say pretty please?
Those idiots should count themselves lucky all they got was pepper spray. They come to the city with the sole intention of breaking laws and making everyone's life a misery.
Ronald Reagan's teargas equipped helicopters were the perfect response to moronic protestors. Anything less is pandering to them.
Flagrant you wrote "As an entrepreneur and an employer the thought of a minimum wage and maximum working hours would be a disaster. The market should decide. Not governments else people like me who take risks that lead to other people having employment opportunities would never be able to get our small companies off the ground.''
Yeah. Right. It's been a disaster in the US since it was introduced for women and children in Massachusetts in 1912.
And since when has Hong Kong ever provided a "level playing field" for anyone except the tycoons and triads?
Forgive the lengthy citation from an April 2004 Asia Times online piece by Gary LaMoshi, but I think it's spot-on. "Contrary to local mythology and the Heritage Foundation's annual ranking of Hong Kong as the "world's freest economy" or the runner-up to Singapore (see Singapore Inc peels a veil in the dark, March 26), the government has played a vital role in creating Hong Kong wealth, dating back to the opium trade. The property market is at the root of most modern Hong Kong fortunes, and since colonial times, that industry has been dependent on the government, which owns all land (and, contrary to another myth, creates more via reclamation of the harbor), sells it to developers and then - here's the key - the buyer negotiates with the government to determine what can be built. It can be a 76-story office/hotel/residential/retail complex instead of a six-story block of flats, depending on your clout.
The other half of the Hong Kong myth is that people just want to do business without any interference from government or the distraction of politics. While it's true that Hong Kong has never had democracy, politics has played a crucial role - for some people. Tycoons, such as Tung and Cheung Kong, Hutchison Whampoa's Li Ka-shing, father of dot-bomber Richard Li and putative Air Canada rescuer Victor Li - sat on the colonial governor's Executive Council. The great and good simply opposed letting the vast majority of Hong Kong people have a voice equal to theirs that might object to tycoons making a killing at their expense."
Inside the game of brinkmanship continues, with little progress being made. Typically deals are only concluded at the last minute, if at all, so what you see from the meeting itself is only negotiation tactics at this stage.
But last night the protesters got what they wanted when the long anticipated violence erupted. Wan Chai turned into a riot zone. The Koreans were joined by others, caught the police off-guard and finally got the confrontation they were looking for. The convention centre went into lock-down and traffic on the Island came to a virtual standstill - the Harbour tunnel was shut, as were most of the major roads and public transport routes in Wan Chai and Causeway Bay. Most of all, this demonstrates how little of this kind of thing Hong Kong normally sees. Quote of the day is from the SCMP:
Police chief Dick Lee Ming-kwai said security at the convention centre, which was locked to ensure protesters did not storm the building, was not compromised. He said he had not contacted the PLA garrison and saw no reason to do so.
Given all the kit Hong Kong's police have in riot gear, pepper spray, tear gas and the like, the PLA is probably jealous.
Below the jump is the SCMP's full report on last night's chaos.
Other links
ESWN comments on the protests and says they were a PR disaster for the police and media and that the protesters were the winners. He's now followed up with further observations of the local media's coverage and impressions on the PR war. Many in Hong Kong have been very sympathetic to protesters (before last night, at least), but personally I think the HK police have done an outstanding job.
They had warned Hong Kong all week that Saturday would be their day and so it was.
Korean farmers were joined by thousands of others from around the world for the first time - a motley collection of local troublemakers, students, NGO delegates and an assorted rent-a-crowd - but it was the Koreans who had the guile to lead them all to the edge of the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre rather than the desolate Wan Chai cargo area set aside for them.
Police had authorised a 2pm march from Victoria Park and had prepared with the week's biggest battalion of officers - 2,000 - backed up with giant saltwater cannons, pepper spray and a barricade which saw them tower above the mob.
This was to be the biggest official action by protesters for the day and police were ready. But if you are a fanatical peasant or unionist from Korea with a reputation for violence, you don't follow plans. Plain and simple, the police were caught out.
The Koreans realised most of the riot police would be gathered around the official cargo-area protest site, leaving the majority of police on the streets in normal uniform and not kitted out for a riot or to battle such a well-drilled and experienced army.
By 3.30pm the first small and, surprisingly, local group, was engaged in another series of futile battles with police blocking the path to the WTO venue far in the distance.
But while the crowd chanted "Shame" and "F*** the police", in Victoria Park there remained a large contingent of militant Korean unionists and members of the National Peasants' League who had fuelled the violent clashes with police all week.
When they decided to move, they moved fast, separating into groups in Causeway Bay and Wan Chai.
Then they arrived at Marsh Road in Wan Chai, the entrance to the cargo area. But instead of continuing to the protest site they turned and used brute force to charge through the thin blue line of officers and started running down Lockhart Road.
The first real clashes with police were savage, running battles, with individual protesters armed with bamboo poles charging at officers, seizing their shields, batons and even attempting to roll a police van.
Officers were left stranded and set on by groups, some falling to the ground and being set upon by the mob. Taking advantage of the chaos, the group then retreated back to Marsh Road and began running down Hennessy Road.
Police were nowhere to be seen as some turned down Fleming Road and others down Luard Road, before bolting into oncoming traffic on Gloucester Road and surging into Fleming Road.
Fate had found them in the perfect place for the oncoming brutal battle that was about to take place.
A line of riot police stood before them, with long metal gates blocking them from direct contact with the batons and shields.
The first clashes were just before 6pm.
While they had only been armed with bamboo, now they seized the metal gates dividing the police and pulled them to the back of the crowd as protesters and onlookers continued to flood the area.
They had come to the vicinity of of the convention centre and were planning their final stand.
At the back of the crowd, a section of the group was busy pulling the barriers apart as the drums sounded and more protesters continued to make their way to the site as word spread that they had their chance to storm the WTO.
The barriers were gone, and police now stood face to face with their enemy. The noise intensified, with the Koreans standing and chanting while random protesters taunted the police ranks.
The unionists and farmers took the front line on both sides of the road divider, which filled with onlookers, many with cameras.
It was nearly dark when the first outbreaks of violence occurred. Groups of protesters targeted the mobile riot officers, who had only small shields.
But no longer were they armed with only their fists. Metal rods from the gates and even flagpoles were used in the vicious assaults on the police from all sides.
By 6.30pm, the attacks had reached their zenith, and the fear in the eyes of the police on the front line had turned to weariness.
Protesters like Rakesh Tiket from an Indian Farmers' League proudly displayed the broken shields they had seized from the police to the roars of the crowd.
The Koreans had turned the metal skeletons of the barricades into battering rams, and the police line retreated from repeated assaults. Others dismantled the wooden shutters put in to protect the windows of Central Plaza.
Emboldened by their victory, the crowd surged forward, a large contingent split from the pack to form a third front and began taking on the police in the forecourt area of Central Plaza.
Again, police were caught unprepared, and one-to-one combat broke out between officers and armed demonstrators.
By 7pm, and despite what looked like an impenetrable cordon of riot police, the group broke through. Police unleashed at least three canisters of tear gas into the crowd, while those that broke through ran to within metres of the convention centre's main door.
The police then fired another four canisters of the tear gas into the first group. People fell to the floor, vomiting, tears streaming from their faces. But the Koreans in the front kept going, so another two canisters were released.
"Help me, help me," one woman screamed from the floor as retreating protesters trampled over her.
Amid the choking gas, the final group continued to push on before five canisters of gas saw them turn on their heels and flee.
On the Fleming Road overpass, protesters cried and washed their eyes as a lone Korean farmer tried in vain to break a stolen police shield.
The heart of Hong Kong had been turned into a battle zone and as the protesters gathered into the night on Gloucester Road, it was far from finished.
I took some issue with ESWN's assessment of the police, and ended up writing a big long spiel about it. Reading it (my work), I found it perhaps a bit overboard in the amount of speculation and the number of tangents I go off on, but I'll let it stand.
I'm sorry but Roland is talking blatant romanticised rubbish. As I stated in my post on the "riots" late last night the police have done a fabulous job. As a tax paying voter I am pretty damn proud of them.
In the history of WTO meetings, never before have protests been allowed so close to the actual venue. The police sent neogiators into the camps to try and facilitate the protesters with meaningful opportunites to make their point. Even when the first minor pushing and pulling happened the police soaked it up and did not react, just simply standing their ground. They did everything they could to keep the temperature down.
The Koreans were the ones who decided to up the ante. Trying to overturn police vehicles and turning maetal railings into weapons by bending the rails out into a row of sharp spikes then running them at the police means the gloves should come off.
The response was appropriate. They stopped them and held them in place - no running charges ,just stopped and encircled.
I would be quite happy for the rubber bullets to come out - the Koreans were shown tremendous hospitality and understanding (however misguided) and they spat in our face.
I'm with you both, but I fear Roland is reflecting a broader view, especially within Hong Kong. It seems the protesters have gained widespread admiration from Hong Kongers, even though that admiration should really go to the cops. As FH said, they've done an outstanding job despite at time extreme provocation.
Apparently Roland is dumbfounded by the police's slow pace. I'd say it's insidiously good PR: let the cameras have several more hours of watching the protestors refuse food offers from the police and effect a very non-violent end to the situation. It also reverts the tone of the protests to the one before the escalation: a sense that the whole thing is an organized spectacle, a play that the protestors and the police play out with no actual acrimony. The police will arrest because the protestors broke the law, but will give them food and not beat them up. The protestors will hold their ground until the inevitable for their cause, but will not sacrifice the creature comforts of rice cookers, Tai Chi, and Doll noodles.
I just got back from Shenzhen last night. I always used to feel sorry for Indians and other people from the subcontinent, because they were often given an incredibly hard time by immigration officers worldwide. But my thought of the day is this:-
In a Chinese immigration line, Americans are the new Indians.
Love is complicated in any society and China is no exception - in fact, it may be the rule. In most cases there are cultural and ethnic traditions, dowries and a long list of other protocols that must be followed (as I had to), but for China's migrant workers things can sometimes be even more complicated:
Marriage is nothing to be flirted with in a hasty way, but among young migrant workers from east China's Jiangxi Province, they are tying the knot in no time by binding each other with "marriage down payment". Lin Qing, a 24-year-old girl in the countryside of Jiangxi's Anyi County, married her husband Yang Geng on the seventh day after they got acquainted through a matchmaker in January this year. Yang, also a local farmer, had a job of selling aluminum alloy in Lanzhou, capital of northwest China's Gansu Province.
Before the marriage, Lin's mother Li Laiying received 23,000 yuan (about 2,875 U.S. dollars) from Yang's father -- 13,000 yuan for wedding feast, buying clothes and jewelry and 10,000 yuan for "marriage deposit" or "marriage down payment". The 10,000 yuan is meant for guaranteeing that once Yang is not faithful to Lin, the girl can at least get some compensation, and the money will be returned to them if the couple can remain in the wedlock and have child, said the mother.
Receiving down payment has become very popular in rural families with young people working in cities in Anyi. Generally, when a young man returns home from his migrant working life during a short vacation, he will be introduced to a girl by a matchmaker. If the two think it is all right to stay together, they will immediately sign an agreement to define their lover or spouse relations. After handing over some 10,000 yuan or more to the mother-in-law, they are allowed to go out working in cities and start a couple's life.
Fortunately for me, I'm a foreigner and I didn't have to jump through as many hoops to marry my wife as a Chinese man would have, but I don't think my in-laws have any doubts as to my devotion to my wife. I guess you could say that most foreigners are immune to the standard protocols of marriage when it comes to marrying a Chinese bride. Unfortunately for Chinese migrant workers, they are not and while the bride is assured compensation should the husband become unfaithful during his lonely quest for employment, what's to guarantee the wife won't engage in extramarital affairs?
Hey your here, a little off topic, but are you or Conrad still posting in Peking Duck? Richard deleted 3 of my posts in defense of President Bush earlier and now I'm blocked totally. My guess is the liberal dumbocrap can't tolerate free speech mcuh. Let's move the party here. Simon is way cooler. ;-)
What often happens is that the male goes to work in the city whereas the wife stays in the village. There are huge number of social controls making it difficult for the wife to cheat and almost impossible for her to cheat secretly, since in a village everyone knows everyone else. The same is not true in the city where no one knows anyone else, and its easy for a male to wander.
One thing that is interesting is that people in the West tend to think of the "nuclear family" as normal, whereas Chinese families are distinctly non-nuclear. Not only do you have extended families, but its also common for husbands, wives, and children not to live with each other. (For example, husband and wife lives in city and grandparents take care of kids.)
There is some very interesting anthropology here.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 19, 2005 02:41 AM
The cynics are out, asking why would Hong Kong want to associate itself with a failed meeting? Such cynicism is misplaced. Firstly, Tonga successfully was admitted to the WTO yesterday, making a neat 150 members. Secondly it appears a deal over allowing the "least developed countries" (LDCs) full and free access to developed markets is nearing completion. In a neat change the EU is taking the high moral ground, having already granted such access to many LDCs, while the US is busy trying to exempt Bangladesh and Cambodia (they're too good at making certain textiles) and sugar (because American sugar farmers can't compete without handouts). On the downside, the developing countries are digging their heels in over a services agreement. The problem with that is the EU, Japan and Americans will not consent to an agriculture deal of any sort without some kind of concession on services. And what's the concession? It is merely to change how the services agreements are negotiated - that's right, they're argueing about how to negotiate negotiations. Finally, Hong Kong's Tourism Board may have found a new advertising angle: tourists from Singapore find this whole protesting thing quite novel.
In the protest stakes, a day of mixed results. The pro-free trade rally got good coverage. According to the SCMP, the Koreans are not even pissing off their fellow anti-WTOers:
Protesters are complaining of being upstaged by South Korean demonstrators, a leading international activist says. Protesters who had not taken part in demonstrations with the Koreans had complained of "grandstanding" to the detriment of other causes, she said.
To cap it all off, Donald Tsang was in Central with a loudhailer, although it wasn't clear if he was defending his constitutional reforms or protesting the WTO. No pepper spray was used on him.
China may benefit "unfairly" from the WTO talks. You see, China's developing but its also developed when it comes to American trade paranoia.
An interview with Trotskyite Greg Bradshaw, a young Australian socialist who flew a Boeing on Qantas, wears Adidas and came to Hong Kong. Then he and his mate Mark Boothroyd headed off to McDonalds for lunch, saying "We're not against hamburgers. The problem is capitalist society." I challenge anyone to make sense of that.
At the "fair trade" fare, the SCMP notes a can of Pepsi is marked up 30% higher than the regular retail price. Fair trade comes at a cost.
The protesters are winding down with some wierd jamboree with the usual folk singing and dancing. Behind them is a sign saying "WTO Kills Farmers". I thought they killed themselves?
It's 17:45 and the Koreans are out spray painting the outside of the US Consulate. Amazingly neither the Marines, nor Hong Kong police, nor King Kong, have emerged to stop this vandalism. Where is the long are of the law? How can such wanton destruction be condoned? And if this is the Koreans upping the ante, the major question remains: are they serious? Graffiti is as radical as it gets? The lack of creativity is a major disappointment.
It's hard to describe the farce that is these protests. It seems the cops have moved in after a couple of protesters stupidly tried to storm the Consulate gates. It was hard to see with the wall of flashes and cameras. The media scrum was huge. If you ever doubted it before, these protests are as much a media production as they are genuine outpourings of feeling.
The graffiti says "Down, down WTO" and an observation of Hong Kong's sterile concrete cityscape: "No Bush". Yes, more greenery would be nice.
A final note: the leader of the protesters has a small flag, just like regular tour groups that wonder the streets of Central. It somehow seems apt, beause these protesters have been more like tourists than anything else.
An interview with Trotskyite Greg Bradshaw, a young Australian socialist who flew a Boeing on Qantas, wears Adidas and came to Hong Kong. Then he and his mate Mark Boothroyd headed off to McDonalds for lunch, saying "We're not against hamburgers. The problem is capitalist society." I challenge anyone to make sense of that.
Isn't the WTO rally wonderful ? It is like a mirror showing all
the evils and uglies especially those bloody gwailo - they talk
about "freedom of expression", "fight for justice", "free
trade" on one time and they will yell "vandalism", "mischief"
and burn your factory/warehouse when things are not right
for them.
US gets antsy over sugar not because of local sugar producers (there's relatively few of them), but because it competes against corn syrup, and corn production has done an excellent job in lobbying Congress.
Similarly, that's the real pusher behind ethanol fuels in the US: the corn industry, which would be the source of that ethanol, and gets huge subsidies from the US government to grow that corn.
I wrote the piece about the socialists at McDonalds, and thought I should clarify here that it was only Mark Boothroyd that was at McDonalds. But, yes, Greg Bradshaw does where Adidas shoes..
Rant begins-> An idiotic weekly men's magazine, Flash, has had the gall of saying that the value of all the land occupied by US bases in Japan would be enough to buy up New York City. It is apparently 'outraged' by Japan's blind obedience to the United States, and for allowing it 312 million square meters to be 'occupied', worth a total of more than 14 trillion yen.
The nationalism in Japan knows no bounds. I shall pass on the fact that the land grants occurred when Japan was hardly in any kind of negotiating position, and focus instead on the fact that Japan saves that much annual on defense by having America there in its place. <-Rant over.
I'm assuming that the article fails to mention that the people who's land has been taken are compensated with rent money correct? If it was truly overly nationalist, it would point that out, and that it is Japan, not America, who pays that rent money, along will 5 Billion USD a year in protection money.
I just wanted to point this out too:
"Ground around Yokota Air Base is strong and able to withstand earthquakes, which makes it really good for housing. Other popular residential areas like Tokorozawa and Sagamihara are also homes to U.S. bases,"
Um, the ground is strong? I'm pretty sure with the exception of sand traps, ground is ground.
As for Sagamihara... Sagamihara is a hole in the ground. No one lives there because they like it, they live there because it's the most inconvenient place to live in all of Japan, therefore cheap. There's a base there? Somehow I missed that when living there for 1 year, must be a real huge base huh? Checked into it, not really too big. http://www.city.sagamihara.kanagawa.jp/profile/syougai/syougaikakiti.html Consists of command centers, and homes.
And Tokorozawa, I like, good place. Cheap like Sagamihara, short ride to Ikebukuru and any place in the world from there, but not a dump. Somehow I missed the base there too, not saying it isn't there, but didn't know about it. So I checked.. Yup, not much of a base, it's a communications center. Looks troublesome. http://www.raidway.ne.jp/~k-nakamu/kokupark/history/USARMYhtm.htm
Not saying that it's okay for this land to be occupied, I'm just saying that the article is a bit misleading. If it wants to get sympathy, it really needs to talk about Okinawa where 75% of all the American bases are, and where actual good land (all land is good land when you're talking about tiny islands) is being used.
I suppose this is like Korea where there is just a groundswell of feeling froma certain quarter of the population that Americans and their military are surplus to requirements. I think though that in Japan this takes on a more simister undertone given that that feeling is occurring at the same time as nostalgia for Japan's good old days of militaristic nationalism.
Allow me to ask a question: of those of you who take public transport on a daily basis, particularly in Hong Kong, how many of you get up for elderly people?
I do, and do think that more people in this city should. But before you think that this is going to be a moralistic post, I must confess that there is a caveat: I won't get up for older people that dye their hair (unless they're on crutches or look like they're going to fall over).
I know it seems a bit crass, but basically I don't for two reasons: 1) they clearly want to be young, and to be regarded as young. Why offend them by offering them a seat? 2) By trying to hide their age, and pass themselves off for something they are no longer, I figure they lose their natural entitlement to my seat.
Am I a hard-hearted jerk? Or acting sensibly and fairly?
I think you're doing just fine. It's the same way with many old women here in Japan (for some reason the old men are much calmer, more relaxed, and don't cause troubles for anyone). I had a women almost kill herself rushing to get in front of me in line at the super market (http://www.imbermedia.net/users/darintenb/blog/?postid=8 Japanese only), but I can guarantee you she is the same person that gives you the stare on the train/bus.
They call them priority seats here, and they're for everyone to use, they just give priority to those who need them most like elderly people, injured people or expecting mothers and things like that. But if grandma is clearly training for the olympics, my original bad knee's take priority to her recently replaced hip.
I do not have this problem as I am normally fooled by their cunning disguise into thinking that they are in the full flower of youth and probably younger than me. My big dilemma comes when trying to assess whether someone is 3 months' pregnant or just generously built.
Posted by phizackerly at December 16, 2005 05:35 PM
The question is do the dye-haired elderly get up for you, Dave?
phizackerly: In Japan, being overweight seems to be enough of a social disability to warrant being given the priority seat, so either way I think you're safe ;)
I hadn't thought of that before now, Dave, but now that you mention it I think you're right. If they don't want to be viewed and treated as elderly, I can't see anything wrong with obliging them (though perhaps not in a way they'd like). I ride the bus to and from college every day, and I normally do move for the elderly. But if I ever find myself in that position with an obvious hair-dyer, I'm going to pull a Dave.
Posted by Matt McIntosh at December 16, 2005 10:42 PM
I do not believe in giving fatties seats. They need the standing-up exercise.
Re the dyers - I don't know about men, but some women think that they look unkempt with greying hair. It's not a youth thing - it's more like: I may no longer be young, but at least I can be well-groomed.
I don't dye, but then I am a scruff.
Posted by phizackerly at December 17, 2005 11:22 AM
To answer these questions, first off Simon they have never gotten up for me, even when I was in a cast. But I don't really hold that against them, or certainly less than other able-bodied people that pretend they don't see me, or perhaps are simple so inured to not getting up that they weren't aware of me.
I will give up my seat for 6-month pregnant ladies, but yes, it is sometimes difficult to tell with pregnancies that are not yet so pronounced.
I actually had a chance to prove my strategy yesterday when a dyed-hair old lady stumbled onto the KCR last night as I was making my way back from Lo Wu. I was panicking, as she was clearly tottering. Providentially, though, the person next to me leapt up and off the train (having almost forgotten her stop) and the old lady was able to sit down next to me.:)
Asiapundit has stumbled on a rather startling piece of news; North Korean soldiers cross border and fire on Chinese soldiers:
It has been belatedly learned (thanks to KBS) that five North Koreans armed with rifles crossed the Tumen River into China's Yonbyon region in the early morning hours of Oct. 16 and attempted to burglarize a mountainside resort villa. The manager of the resort quietly notified the authorities, who responded by sending six of the PLA's finest to the scene. As the Chinese soldiers approached the resort, the North Koreans opened fire, killing a 19-year-old soldier by the name of Li Ryang.
According to witnesses, the North Koreans were wearing KPA uniforms, and are believed to have been soldiers.
The last time I checked China was North Korea's sole remaining ally. Either Kim Jong-il has lost his mind or his troops are so desperate for food and other commodities for survival that they're now willing to bite the hand that feeds them.
It is perverse - but it does indicate that NK troops are in pretty dire straits. Given that the NK were - if military - probably border guards, they likely already received a few of their fellow citizens who were 'repatriated' by the Chinese side. That and the fact that the PLA wouldn't look too kindly on foreigners robbing a resort probably made them disregard the amnesty option.
Unfortunately, a TypePad outage has shut the AP (and Marmot's where I nicked the link). I noticed a similar item at One Free Korea (freekorea.blogspot.com) if further reading is needed though.
ICG discusses North East Asia's undercurrents of conflict. They've even compiled a list of recommendations for the governments of China, USA, Japan and South Koera, but curiously none for the North Koreans.
A Catholic priest re-created a Vietnamese village in Houston but now is losing control of it.
In short, again nothing happened at the meeting yesterday. The Europeans have dug their heels in, the Americans offered a little and the developing countries are huffing and puffing how unfair it all is while still not contemplating opening any of their own markets. Apparently negotiators are going to come up against an immovable object:
The conference must finish by then to make way for a trade show, a consumer baby products exhibition and carnival expected to attract up to 200,000 visitors.
Wilkinson said many delegations have booked hotel rooms for at least some members through Wednesday, assuming last-minute talks will roll into extra hours despite official vows to end the conference on time.
Maybe the negotiators are planning to buy stuff for the kids? You can't mess with conventions in this city.
Even the rioting isn't what it seems. Doug Crets in The Standard reports the police strategy is working, containing the protests:
Televised images make the clashes between protesters and local police appear violent and chaotic, but up close the incidents seemed controlled and almost ceremonial.
And the Koreans themselves repay the compliment, according the SCMP:
"Soft, gentle" and "a bit merciful". That was how South Korean protesters described their police rivals after two days of ferocious confrontations that saw injuries as the police used riot shields and pepper spray to keep the raucous protesters at bay.
Today's links and comments
Updated throughout the day. Keep scrolling day for the rest of today's posts.
ESWN reports on the progress of civilian journalists during this meeting. The SCMP's plea for citizen journalist pictures and reports doesn't seem to have lead to much.
Sanity is slowly returning to Hong Kong TV: it's all English soccer this morning. And even better news: our Coke machine was refilled last night.
It's 11:20, it's 14 degrees Celcius and for a nice change the Koreans have made way for five or six Indonesians, one of whom is not wearing a shirt and must be freezing his nipples off. I think they're protesting about the lack of police brutality, but it's hard to tell as all the media's cameras keep getting in the way.
Pascal Lamy's blog is updated: he says the engine is starting to turn, albeit slowly. Don't take too long, the baby convention moves in Monday morning.
I had lunch at a place not far from Tamar, and watch a group of protesters march by. By my count there were 20. The TV alternates between assorted marches in and around Victoria Park. There hasn't been any more cops vs. Korean farmers face-offs yet...maybe today is a rest day?
So far there hasn't been any Korean suicides, any self-immolation, just a few cuts and bruises to the head. Is it wrong to be disappointed?
Tom Grundy, the Chicken Man, has sent the following:
Thought I'd respond to your entry about my recent protesting in Hong Kong as I believe the 'ignorance' and 'confusion' is on your side (though I will try to be less derogatory).
Regarding the WTO being democratically elected - it is a powerful organisation which affects the lives of millions across the world, undermining the governments people elect - so we should get a say and it should be more transparent. I've lived amongst villagers in Uganda and slum-dwellers in India and have seen the effects of these trade policies. (I now live in Hong Kong, as a teacher, I'm not a random demonstrator from the UK). The WTO appears to be on its last legs anyway.
And about the UN - there's a difference between globalisation in the sense of corporate/cultural imperialism or 'coca-colonialism' and the globalisation of government. We are protesting about the collusion of government and corporations.
Though I understand the US and capitalism as a system are the underlying forces at work here, I actually believe the WTO should be reformed and either incorporated into the UN and based around the Convention on Human Rights, rather than corporate profit.
And might I add, when I 'look around Hong Kong', I don't bask in wonder of the 'widespread prosperity', I wonder at what price Hong Kongers have paid environmentally and socially, and how it affects the majority world (or '3rd world')
Tom Grundy - the "insult to chickens"
Let's go through this in turn. The WTO is exactly like the UN - a multilateral organisation compromising of governments. It is not democratically elected. It is a forum for negotiations. People can have a say - Pascal Lamy goes out of his way to cater to NGOs and dissenting voices - and they can try to influence their national governments to present their views. But to claim the lack of elections makes the WTO somehow "bad" fundamentally misunderstands what such organisations are about. There may be a difference between "cultural imperialism" and the "globalisation of government"...but that's not the point. My comparison between the UN and WTO is not in each organisation's aims, but in their structures. As such they are very similar groups.
What is "cultural imperialism", anyway? People have always have a choice - if they don't want to drink Coke, watch Hollywood movies, eat Big Macs and drive Fords they don't have to. But many people, including the poor, choose to use these goods and services. Don't patronise the poor by telling them what's good for them and restricting their rights to accessing them, just as the rich world should not bar the free trade in goods and services (including labour) from the poor (or each other, for that matter).
How would basing the WTO on the Convention on Human Rights help matters? Trade is precisely about profit, from the biggest multinational to the smallest farmer...everyone gains from a bigger pie. Protecting human rights is the responsibility of national governments, and if those governments fail there is the UN. It is a seperate issue from trade. A most fundamental human right is to let people make a living in peace, without artificial barriers and constraints. Millions in China have been lifted out of poverty thanks to such basic ideas as property rights and free trade, both intra- and inter-national.
Finally, when you look around Hong Kong, you might notice a city of 7 million people, many of whom came here to escape a despotic mass-murderer who was causing economic chaos. The city is one of the richest and most prosperous in the world. Yes there has been pollution and that is now a major issue the government is being forced to address. But those 7 million people know they will have food on their plate, a roof over their heads and the freedom to make a living however they see fit. If you ask most Hong Kongers, they are happy with the "price paid" for their prosperity. Why deny that to the "majority world"?
the closest thing to citizen journalism i saw the post doingwas Post writer Norma Connoly holding her own video camera at the ''riot.'' but i haven't seen everything and shis is just a personal comment.
Regarding your response on 'cultural imperialism', free trade does not offer choice. There are many examples where aggressive Western companies stamp out the 'choice' - for example, there used to be several alternatives to Coca-Cola in India, such as Thumbs Up, but all competitors (locally run) were bought out. Even in Hong Kong, (one of the world's 'freest' economies) there is an oligopoly of only two supermarkets (no-one else can set up and compete mostly because Wellcome and/or Park n Shop tend to own the shopping centres too).
Basing the WTO on the Convention on Human Rights WOULD help matters, as it would mean the WTO would become a regulatory body to protect people - who are actually more important that enriching an already rich circle of executives. Companies must be regulated more, not less - as profit will always be put over people and the environment.
Governments DO try tot protect human rights, but are not allowed to maintain or set up laws to protect workers or the environment as these are 'barriers to trade', and the WTO will override them.
Let's take a look at some of the 'artificial barriers and constraints' the WTO is looking at scrapping in the talks here...
• Energy efficiency labelling on appliances such as washing machines, fridges and irons (challenged by Korea, USA and China).
• A European Union scheme that ensures imports comply with health, safety and environmental protection laws (challenged by China).
• Labels which show whether a product is recyclable or from sustainable sourcing.
• Safety testing on imported foods, like compulsory testing for lethal toxins in shellfish.
How do scrapping these benefit anyone except corporate stock prices?
I feel you are taking the WTO's mantra at face-value, looking beyond the WTO website will reveal the true nature of this powerful and oppressive organisation. I also feel that just by spending a few weeks living amongst the people these policies worse affect would change your outlook. If we’re going to have capitalism – which of course I have reservations about too - it must at least be a level playing field.
For those interested in my activism, and why I'm in a 'flap' over the WTO, I'm collecting some articles here on my website... http://www.globalcitizen.co.uk/rants/activism.html and will be making a tit of myself across the province over the next week.
Apologies for any typos or if I missed anything – this was written in a bit of a rush!
Your first sentence betrays you, chickman. Free trade only offers choice. It does not force consumers to buy. It does not force companies to close. It just allows people choices. If you don't like capitalism, that's another debate. But Coke coming to dominate in India is about Indians liking Coke. Don't blame the company - they play by India's national laws and consumer choose. That's the system working.
I don't understand why you want to turn the WTO into a regulatory body, given your first arguement said it wasn't democratically elected (true) and that was a bad thing (false). What do you mean by "protect" people? What kind of company regulations are required? Give me examples that we can talk about, not generalities.
What WTO treaties do is prevent governments from hiding trade protection measures behind "environmental" or "workers" standards.
I'm happy to take the WTO at face value - it's proved exceptionally beneficial to millions so far.
I entirely agree with Simon on this one. Why set up committees to try to legislate how to help everyone in every single market? History has shown that is unlikely to work.
No, the best thing the WTO can do for consumers worldwide is to bring down the prices of goods by cutting tariffs - which then end up with governments that waste it by going to meetings like these.
I'm pretty cool with capitalism and free trade, but the chicken does have some points on problems with the WTO's potential vision of free trade. In particular, I'm thinking of the examples of challenges to labelling (eg energy labelling on products) as a barrier to free trade. In both cases, absence of such labelling reduces consumer choice.
Sure, consumers could do their own research, but let's be realistic. Compulsory labelling empowers consumers and lets them make more informed decisions about issues that their (in the West, at least) democratically elected government deems to be a health, environment or other relevant issue. However, these requirements are being increasingly challenged on the basis that they are artificial barriers to trade which are prohibited under WTO obligations.
Another downside of the current WTO arrangements is that countries (eg China) are able to challenge another countries imposition of health checks on food. In the time of SARS and bird flu, this is quite worrying. As an example of where the WTO framework (? may have be another multilateral treaty) has been used to challenge such things in the past, see the US's challenge to the EU's ban on sale of meat containing growth hormones (if I recall correctly, they were found to be in breach of trade obligations and have maintained the ban and just paid the monetary penalties).
This doesn't mean I'm anti-WTO in general eg I think the Korean farmers are contemptible. However, it's a bit easy to oversimplify the argument to pro-free trade vs anti-WTO. There's a lot of nuances which are lost on both sides of the debate, which lets some real concerning issues slip through.
There's also a lot of dumbing down, particularly on the anti-WTO side. I read a booklet earlier this week claiming that the WTO was the cause of increasing rural poverty and suicide in the PRC, which completely misses the reality of the situation. From discussions with anti-WTO protestors (and I know a fair few), I suspect that some of them go to developing nations and, through a process of selective education, lead garment workers et al to believe that the WTO is responsible for all economic-related suffering. I base this suspicion on discussions with some protestors over various meals, attendance at some of their seminars (which varied in coherency and relevancy from poor to good) and their materials.
However, the dumbing down of the opposition doesn't free the "I like free trade in general"-minded proponents from thinking hard about what the WTO regime actually does and where its downsides are.
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 15, 2005 07:23 PM
Just to add one note - I support limited violence against protestors if they are behaving idiotically. If Chicken Man is the guy who was standing behind the HK TV presenter who was wearing a hard hat - I'm fine with the crew forcibly turfing you out of the way. Whatever the validity of your point re: the hard hat being unnecessary, you demonstrated a fundamental lack of comprehension of the Cantonese audience who would take your behaviour as justifying the reporters attire.
Some of the arguments you raised in your post are quite valid, but it's all lost in the presentation of a big loud gwailo wearing a chicken suit.
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 15, 2005 07:35 PM
Are you familiar with the Bruce Springsteen classic, "Atlantic City"?
Opening Line: "Well they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night // now they blew up his house too//Down on the boardwalk they're gettin' ready for a fight // gonna see what them racket boys can do"
Not that I'm suggesting anything! Just free association at work. Even though I don't agree with much anything of what the anti-WTO people have to say, I do support their right to peaceful protest, because if nothing else, it reminds us all that behind words like 'corporate restructuring' and 'mid-career re-training' are real people with families to feed.
I'll try and respond quickly to all comments; I'm a busy chicken this week. I've never partaken in a debate online like this before, but it's fulfilling as usually I preach to the converted…
SIMON:
The example of Coke dominating in India may partly be due to Indians liking Coke, but they've also bought out all competitors. This is no good for India and certainly doesn't create choice, if they stamp out the competition. My point also stands on supermarkets in Hong Kong - an example on our doorstep - there's little choice there. I also believe there are only 1-2 choices for power in HK. More regulation is required, not less - as the polices of 'free trade' demand.
Regarding what regulations are required: Laws on child labour, slave wages, working hours and conditions are all irrelevant under the 'free trade' idea. The WTO could reform and incorporate minimal standards for countries and companies to follow on each of these issues. And I've already given examples of some of the environmental regulations they're trying to scrap at this meeting - do you agree with them being overridden?
Regarding its undemocratic nature - I may have been misunderstood. I don't expect elections to be held in each country to decide who represents them at the meetings - rather, the organisation needs to allow working people, perhaps unions, to have a say in proceedings. I'm no economist, but when something has this much power, it is absurd that we don't have any input. Plus, the whole thing should be more transparent so we know what is being decided on our behalf.
And the WTO has done more harm than good - sure, the glossy website and such all looks great on paper (as does communism, capitalism etc...)
TIU FU FONG:
You've got the wrong idea about my TVB / ATV run-in. And it happened tonight too, live on Pearl. I was totally peaceful; the hard-hat only became 'justified' when the crew attacked me. I may file a complaint with the Journalist's Association - but I've got hold of the video (which I'll have a link on my website to soon), and it seems I did more harm than good for our side. In reality, I may have made the scene more dramatic and the reporter said, in Cantonese, that I was trying to stop the broadcast. Over the next few days, I'm toning it down to a Cantonese sign and will be filming the crew so I have evidence of their ridiculously violent behaviour.
As I said, it was peaceful direct action - subverting/hijacking a live broadcast on a station that is blurring the facts - and if you were there, I think even you guys would agree.
Posted by tom grundy at December 15, 2005 11:08 PM
Doktor: I have never said the WTO is perfect. Far from it. Most free trade advocates have beefs (pardon the pun) with the WTO, and I've said elsewhere there is actually significant common ground between the anti-WTO protesters on the streets and us free-traders. I don't know the arcana of the labelling debate, but I know that more regulation and rules often act as artificial barriers to trade as much as they are about enhancing consumer choice. The same applies to health checks - Japan has only just allowed American beef back into the country, after a 3 or 4 year ban sparked by the Mad cow disease fear. Previously America exported more than US$1 billion of beef to Japan each year. Often the science does not support these "health checks", and that's when there are challenges under WTO rules. That is the case in the EU/US battle.
The crux is the battle is not pro-free trade vs anti-WTO. It is pro- and anti-free trade; and seperately pro- and anti-WTO. There are many subtleties to consider in every issue, and trade issues are particularly nuanced. I agree there are plenty of shades of gray. Your anecdotes about anti-WTO activities in developing countries are particularly worrying; but you are right that those of us on the other side also are responsible for pushing our side, rather than sit smugly knowing we're right.
I'm happy to continue this debate in public, whenever you like. In the interim...
Coke is a big company with lots of money. That is because many people like what they sell. It also means they can buy smaller companies from the owners of those smaller companies. This is capitalism. Many countries (not HK) have competition laws to prevent dominant companies from abusing market power, to curb any excesses. But I don't see the problem in India having fewer Coke brands. As for your HK examples, you are right, the city is dominated by oligopolies, especially in capital intensive industries such as power or logistical ones such as supermarkets. Hong Kong is a small market and even with a competition law such oligopolies would exist - the same happens in Australia. Are consumers worse off? Hard to prove, but not demonstrably so. At times the goverment may regulate the industry (such as power in HK), but that leads to perverse incentives (such as over-investment in HK's case).
In short, usually more regulation is the problem, not the solution. Who would you rather sort out problems? Government bureaucrats or the market place? I suggest reading Wisdom of Crowds if you want the answer.
As for your proposed regulations, these are the very misguided policies that developing countries hate. Child labour laws make Westerners feel good while leaving poor workers in developing countries without any means to support themselves. One man's "slave" wages are another's pay packet. I'm not saying it's fair. The world isn't a fair place. But imposing such policies harms those you are patronisingly trying to "protect". People in developing countries know the potential that schooling offers, but sometimes having enough to eat matters more. Minimum wages destroy jobs by creating an artificially high price of labour. To give an example, if the government said Coke must cost $10 a can, fewer people would buy Coke and less Coke would be made. That's a sub-optimal result, beacuse there are people that would buy Coke for less and there are people who would sell it for less. Generally messing with markets makes a mess of things.
The WTO does allow NGOs and unions a say. Pascal Lamy has gone out of his way to canvas opinions from outside the governmental framework. But the WTO is, in the end, a Governmental body. What's the absurdity?
The case you fail to prove is "the WTO has done more harm than good", and that the WTO has so much power. The WTO only has the power that governments agree to give it, and that is only for dispute resolution. Otherwise it is only a platform for negotiating a multilateral treaty, which individual countries then agree to and ratify. Part of the WTO's problem is it has no power - it's power comes from that which its members give it.
The other thing you could mention Simon is that child labour laws drive very large numbers of children into prostitution and slavery because that is the only option left to earn money.
Simon, I'd think more deeply about how "minimum wages destroy jobs by creating an artificially high cost of labour".
As you must have seen from various sources, particularly in textiles and shoes, for example, manufacturing labour is an incredibly small part of the overall cost base of most fashion good companies with international supply chains. (I believe we generally hear about figures like under $1 for shoes costing $150.)
As shoe manufacturing has moved to cheaper countries (not under the control of the brand owners, but their subcontractors) the savings made would have shown up in the subcontractors and brand owners' shareholder returns.
If (say) labour prices doubled overnight, while shareholder returns would be affected, I'm quite confident that *demand* wouldn't, because the cost of labour isn't a material part of the total cost of the shoes.
In the case of a domestic economy, I'd point out to you that in a broad sense, better paid workers have more money to spend and are better able to e.g. ensure that their children get basic education, which benefits everyone (except providers of capital in the short run.)
I totally agree with you that these things (and other issues like health and safety standards) are the provisions of governments, not the WTO. However, the WTO's ability to rule on those issues, and the fact that its policies have deep consequences on a lot of the stakeholders, mean that it also carries some resposibility.
Effects of specific policies aside, the protestors are simply vocalising to what could be a legalistic body that looks at trade in very narrow terms that their policies affect real people in the outside world.
You are partly right, and in fact hit the nail on the head. These policies are the responsibility of governments. The WTO is an intergovernmental forum. But it is not the right place to introduce policies that are the responsibility of national governments. Who is the WTO to tell China that it must pay its textile workers US$5 an hour? Even if it is a small component of the cost of textiles, at the margin it is significant enough to make a difference - otherwise why the scramble by the both the Americans and EU to negotiate "deals" restricting textile exports despite the ending of restrictions at the start of 2005.
Your Henry Ford argument is right - if you pay workers more, they can afford to buy your products. But that's up to the employer to decide.
As I said elsewhere - the world isn't fair. Some countries have low wages, wages far below what people would for in developed countries. But already China is finding upward pressure on wages as migrant labour starts to demand more money and labour shortages emerge in Guangdong. The market can sort these things out with a minimum of fuss.
I should add I'm no advocate of abusing human rights. Slavery and indentured labour is clearly wrong. But I still see minimum wages as doing more harm than good...and I've thought and studied this topic extensively.
But I do understand that people want their voices heard by the WTO, so that negotiators realise the consequences of their policies. I think that's already been done effectively by some groups (Oxfam springs to mind) but not by others (Korean farmers). The negotiators are all from governments, and even if not democratically elected governments depend on popular will to exist. They are constantly reminded of the protesters desires and Pascal Lamy goes out of his way to incorporate outside voices, despite no legal need to.
I am off to Nam for Christmas (please restrain yourselves before the ironic 'chicken flu' comments start to flow), but I'll try and respond to what's written above before I go... In the meantime, here's a letter I've circulated to the HK press.
Bear in mind that I was actually present at all of the major scuffles, and peacefully witnessed what really happened...
Dear Sir,
The scare-mongering sensationalist media circus, the over-the-top policing and bleeding hearts about Hong Kong's broken history of peaceful protest have all became quite tiresome.
I spent the week and preceding month touring the city in a chicken costume to raise awareness of the WTO's true nature. I worked to trivialise and undermine media attempts to create a climate of fear by decorating riot shield lines with Christmas decorations, I also subverted live TV broadcasts as the anchors went to air donning helmets especially to exaggerate the level of danger, when there was absolutely no threat.
I was amongst the 99% of completely peaceful demonstrators (who were still tear gassed without warning!). Those who caused disturbance were NOT 'rioting' in a chaotic 'war zone', smashing up shops, cars and infrastructure or beating up civilians and policemen. They were simply trying to get to the Convention Centre and the police were an obstacle. This 'militant mob' picked up litter and returned police shields after their protests and it was never more than a few dozen activists at the front using force to break police lines.
If a country invites the WTO to their city, authorities should not be surprised if some of the millions of desperate people it affects turn up to express their anger. I was shocked by the diabolical lack of journalistic integrity and fairness shown by reporters and have set up a website detailing my observations at www.tvb.wxs.org .
Posted by tom grundy at December 19, 2005 05:39 PM
Thoughts on the East Asia Summit and American-less Asian future. As much as China and Malaysia can't face it, America is and will be a strong part of Asia's future for a long time to come.
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Update 12/15
The book arrived exactly one day after purchase. Lots of good places and good discounts on offer. Have you bought yours yet?
I've owned the Entertainment books in the USA and, as you say, they are great. But, experience tells me that each individual coupon has restrictions that sometimes make them difficult to use. How do you find the individual coupons in the book? Do they have blackout dates on each coupon, other than the dates described on the website (holidays and the day before holidays)?
There are a bunch of restaurants on the list that we frequent...and would like to frequent. Would be a cool deal for the coming year.
I've not yet received my copy of the book so I can't tell you, but it seems pretty clear and from previous experience the black periods are quite limited.
My experience with coupon books of this type in the U.S. is that the restaurants offering such coupons are ususally "touristy" type places with moderately high prices and bland food.
Not my kind of places (after all, I am a "gun-toting epicurean misanthrope" per my profile).
I am from The 123 Book, and would like to add a few points of clarification to the above comments.
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Most coupons do not limit the day of the week, however, there are individual restrictions on some coupons (i.e. not valid on Friday (mainly bars in LKF)). That said, there are also a couple of FREE coupons that don’t even require you to buy anything.
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The WTO circus in Hong Kong made me wonder what the conservative American libertarian think-tank, the Cato Institute, had to say on MC6. I was not disappointed; there is a very interesting, thought-provoking article by Marian Tupy on why sub-Saharan Africa was failing in an age of falling tariff barriers.
Now I have always been of the opinion that the populations of many developing countries depend on agriculture for their sustenance and survival; the farm subsidies of the development world therefore seem rather unfair in that they remove even comparative (as opposed to absolute) advantage from many such countries in the one area in which they might be expected to be competitive. There are counter-examples of course, like Argentina or Brazil. But by and large, the European's CAP (or should we say CRAP) put such hopes beyond reach.
However, the author harbors no such illusions. She believes that Sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) is in the state it's in not as passive losers in a global trade regime, but as masters of their own destruction due to highly protectionist policies (discouraging investment), trampling on property rights (discouraging saving and investment) and colossal corruption and mismanagement (again, discouraging investment). Allow me to quote her:
SSA is destined to remain poor, the conventional wisdom holds, unless the rich countries change their economic policies. African leaders are only too happy to play their part in that charade. Blaming African poverty on forces beyond the control of Africa's political elites takes the spotlight away from decades of failed economic policies, wholesale looting of Africa's wealth, and loss of countless lives to political repression and ethnic conflicts...But blaming others will do little to improve the lives of millions of poor Africans. In order to escape poverty, SSA countries must begin by liberalizing their trade with one another and with the rest of the world...Trade opening will result in welfare gains for SSA. But those welfare gains will not be on a scale that will drastically reduce African poverty. Indeed, the benefits of trade liberalization will be severely restricted unless trade opening is accompanied by far-reaching economic and political changes on the African continent.
Fine sentiments, though difficult to imagine their execution. The Cato Institute author of course did not advocate Western involvement in running such states, as did Britain, France and other colonial powers tried a century ago, but given the past record of political malfeasance in that region it is difficult to imagine what other prescriptions she might suggest. It reminded me of Niall Ferguson's book Colossus, about how America, to truly lead, had to accept a new form of colonialism in failed states. It seems that many in the first world have forgotten by what means their ancestors were forced to retreat from former colonies, and the global rise of outsourcing in all areas makes people think that even governance can be outsourced. I have grave doubts.
In the otherwise boring conflab that is the East Asia Summit, a small but significant gesture could prove the start of the thawing of icy Sino-Japan relations. I'll leave it to the China Daily to describe what happened (the photo is below the jump):
...as the leaders were signing the document, Koizumi leaned over and asked to borrow Wen's pen. But Wen ignored him for several seconds until Malaysian Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi intervened to repeat the request. Wen then passed the pen to Koizumi with a smile.
It's in such simple gestures that true diplomacy is made. Thank goodness Koizumi is so forgetful...or was it a deliberate ploy? If so, it was a stroke of genius.
Meanwhile, Wen and Hu's efforts in AIDS outreach are having unintended consequences. Two AIDS patients the President shook hands with are now being ostracised in their villages. The same article reports that 60% of city dwellers are "nervous" about contact with HIV positive people. While the example of China's leadership in AIDS education is commendable, far more needs to be done to overcome the typical superstition and suscipions of people. It's the same battle the West fought 20 years ago. Perhaps Japan and Koizumi can help?
Hong Kong's democrats are set on vetoing the limited constitutional reforms proposed by Donald Tsang. However political scientist Michael DeGolyer explains why the democrats may be shooting themselves in the foot. Absolutely read the whole thing - it explains how the changes could potentially remove the pro-Government veto in Legco, and force the DAB and trade unions to move from letting business do the government's dirty work to having to do it themselves.
Hong Kong has a strange kind of democracy - here parties campaign on essentially one major issue, which is whether they are pro and anti-government. In most other places, parties campaign to form the government, based on a platform of what they intend to do.
A strange democracy indeed. I find it mind-boggling that people actually vote for candidates that are basically saying to voters: "You're not smart or responsible enough to be voting in really important elections."
it is not a strange democracy. because it is not a democracy. democracy has its govt elected.
dave,
the pro-dem camp have their own fault. people like martin lee were hated by many. i used to vote for him but no longer do so.
pro-dem lacks good leadership or competent people.
There are no shortages of people in this world who pity themselves and seek the sympathy of their fellow man for the misfortunes that burden their lives. There are also those who find the strength to rise up and silently endure those burdens while trying to make a difference in someone else's life. However, I doubt many of them are 12 years old.
Hong Zhanhui, a 23-year-old college student, struck a chord in China with the story about his adoption of his sister and support of his troubled family...
Born to a poor peasant farmer's family at Hongzhuang, an outlying village in Xihua County, central China's Henan Province, Hong led a relatively peaceful life until an accident tore apart his five-member family 11 years ago. During one day in August 1994, Hong's father, Hong Xinqing, suddenly began smashing the furniture in their tile-roofed house. His crying mother was kicked to the ground and his one-year-old sister was grabbed by his father and lifted above his head.
"My full sister died, my dad went crazy and my mom was fractured," Hong, now 23, recalled as his eyes reddened at Huaihua Institute, a quiet university campus in central-south China's Hunan Province, where he studies. "It was such a nightmare."
His father was diagnosed with mental illness and then 12-year-old Hong felt like the sky had fallen. Deeply affected by his family's misfortune, Hong first encounter with wide-eyed Chenchen in an abandoned swaddle under a tree outside his village made him believe he was destined to adopt the child.
"You don't raise the baby, I'll take her," Hong told his mother,who considered finding another guardian for the infant. "Whatever happens, I won't leave her."
To add to his hardship, Hong's mother fled their home one day as she could no long stand the violence and pressure brought on by her mentally ill husband. The family collapsed and Hong had to bear the burden of looking after his sick father, his young brother and his new adopted sister. The nights were long as the hungry Chenchen wailed in wee hours and Hong couldn't find anything at their destitute home for her to suckle.
"All I could do is to take her in my arms, walk back and forth and rock her gently," Hong said. To keep the baby away from his insane father, Hong committed Chenchen to a relative's care after he begged nearby woman to feed her every morning before going to school. In the eyes of Hong's neighbors, he was a pathetic kid who had to bring up another one, work in the fields and earn money to buy ataractic for his sick father and support the family.
"At his age, other kids are usually naughty but Hong can handle adult problems," said Sun Liuzhuang, a village doctor and Hong's neighbor. Hong never complained to others about the pressures he endured."He rarely talked about his family and just stayed home, reading and studying," villagers said...Hong sold ball-point pens, books and tapes for learning English. "Many people looked down upon me for the peddling then," Hong recalled. "But I didn't care."
To take good care of his adopted sister, Hong first took her around with him in the county, then to his college about a thousand kilometers away from their home.
I hate to quote so much text from an article, but with all the bad news coming out of China that many of us tend to focus on, it's reassuring to know that not everyone in this world, and especially China, is caught up in selfish materialism.
I'm sure there are more people like Hong in China, but unfortunately their stories usually take a back burner to all the reports of riots and corruption that plague the country.
WTO MC6: Day 3 It's a tough day for Hong Kong's press. Nothing happened inside the WTO ministerial conference, and not much happened outside with the protests, either (much to the police and government's credit). Inside, everyone agreed to postpone talks on the services agreement. Pascal Lamy, the WTO director-general, waved a magic wand but even he was sceptical of its charms. Best of all, Mr. Lamy has established a blog/diary to record his thoughts during the conference. It begins from Monday:
Greetings. Loads of bread and bananas already stocked to keep me going through the week...I overslept so I could only do a quick run at the gym but, given the vastness of this Conference Centre, I may be able to get all the exercise I need simply by moving from meeting to meeting inside this facility.
It's not easy being a Director General. He also tells a group of trade ministers this conference is not just about Christmas shopping...demonstrating his anti-Hong Kong retail trading bias.
But there have been winners as well. Hong Kong Disneyland announced its first ever sell-out and Ocean Park saw a 40% jump in attendence thanks to many schools shutting for the day. So at least Hong Kong's taxpayers will get some benefit from the conference.
Below the jump is a telling photo from today's SCMP. As I said yesterday, it seems the media and police are far outnumbering the few "militant" protesters. Can you say "manufactured for the media" and "publicity stunt"? If the most militant thing these Korean peasants can do is swim in Victoria Harbour, then full power to them.
Other links
This will be updated throughout the day. You can also follow the Curbside at WTO site for more reports.
The Standard has an image gallery of various photos from the protests.
A few facts and figures on the meeting. It turns out the government spent HK$250 million on the meeting, including 700 civil servants as volunteers and 9,000 cops for security.
It's 12:45 and the TV is showing the standoff between the Korean peasants and cops. Plenty of pepper spray, a bit of push and shove...and that's just the media! Best of all was a temporary truce, negotiated so one protester could retrive his shoe. This could be a game of inches...it looks like the police line has retreated exactly 3 inches since yesterday, which just leaves 20,000 more to the convention centre. The Koreans are wearing Glad Wrap over their eyes and ears to protect themselves from the pepper spray. It doesn't appear to be helping.
Now it's almost 13:00, the Korean farmers had a go at the police line, kicking and punching, but were met with a wall of pepper spray a judicial kick in the privates. I've rung the Jockey Club but they aren't taking bets on this one, which is a shame because the cops are dominating at the moment. This is great lunchtime entertainment. And now the farmers have backed off for a smoke break. This is rioting at its most civilised. Now there's a musical interlude - guys with yellow flags in their hats are banging drums and dancing...but the cops don't seem tempted to join in. Half-time entertainment!
For some high-brow analysis, the Global Economy Journal has several articles dedicated to covering the Doha round. And Foreign Affairs magazine has a special WTO free trade edition (via Ben Muse).
More proof of how civilised this protest is: the Koreans just handed over a police shield back to the cops.
It's 14:30 and looks like lunchtime is over - a group of perhaps 40 Korean protesters charged the police line, to be greeted with oodles of pepper spray (it looks just like silly string). The cops haven't budged an inch and are giving as good as they're getting. Give 'em hell, boys. That said, the media is getting desperate - they're starting to replay highlights from the morning session and one even cut across to other news.
Pascal Lamy has updated his blog, noting the gulf between the public's perception and reality of the WTO. It's an interesting insight into to mind of a key player in these talks.
Do these Korean farmers realise the water bottles they are using to wash the pepper spray out of their eyes is Bonaqua, owned by the Coca-Cola company?
It's now 19:30, and the protesters are holding a candlelight vigil. Besides freezing their butts off, many are wearing green hats...and green hat means something quite amusing in Chinese.
Citing an opinion piece that cites opinions from the Agitprop Enterprise Institute to provide a glimpse in to how Hong Kongers feel about globalisation and why they aren't marching? *snort*
Crank up those Leslie cabinets, cuz you'll have to spin those talking points harder to provide wind under the wings for this theory of yours.
Tom, exactly how many Hong Kongers do you see involved in the protests? What about if you ask Hong Kongers? Most don't care for the protesters and most people feel more sympathy for the shopkeepers in Wan Chai.
Maybe it is time for you to check your eyes, the helmets are
black in colour, not green; and if you can spend a few minutes
getting out of your small pathetic expat circle, and spend a
few minutes reading the local press, then you will know the
HKers are touched by the protesters as well.
Below the jump I've posed Statfor's piece on the Shanwei shootings and China's situation, including a map of some of the major recent protests in China. Also Sam Crane on the importance of reciting names and Dongzhou. And related is the Chinese government's struggles with property rights protests.
It's always easy to say kids in today's push-button, video-gamed, internet-addicted world are a lost cause...but behold the patience taken to make this. Apparently even some kids have too much time on their hands.
Today's NSFW site of the day: Yenx publishes and translates fliers from Japanese call girl services (via JP). Proof you really can find anything on the interweb.
The Shanwei Shootings and China's Situation
By George Friedman
Last week, a group of Chinese villagers staged a demonstration against a wind-power project near Shanwei, a town in Guangdong province about 100 miles from Hong Kong. In the first incident, protesters blocked access to the site of the wind-power generation project. The next day, Dec. 6, demonstrators returned. According to Chinese official reports, they were led by three men -- Huang Xijun, Lin Hanru and Huang Xirang -- and were armed with knives, steel spears, sticks, dynamite and Molotov cocktails. Members of the local People's Armed Police fired tear gas at the crowd, hoping to break things up, but the three leaders rallied the crowd to continue what, depending on who was telling the story, was either a protest or attack. According to the description of events given by the Chinese government, the demonstrators started to throw explosives at the police as night fell. The police opened fire. Official reports said that three people were killed, eight wounded.
The protests in Shanwei had gone on for quite a while before coming to a head last week. The land for the power project was confiscated a few years ago. The farmers who worked the land were never compensated for their dislocation. They formally petitioned for their money in 2004 but were ignored. Public demonstrations began in August 2005, continuing intermittently. With no compensation forthcoming, the protests escalated and then exploded, with last week's incident marking the first reported shootings of demonstrators in China by official security forces since Tiananmen Square in 1989.
The shooting is new. The pattern is not. There has been intensifying unrest in China over the past year -- frequently, as in this case, over issues that have been simmering for years. This has been particularly true for peasants who have seen their land confiscated by the government for industrial projects. Money is issued to local officials by state-owned enterprises and other investment groups to cover the cost of the land. That money passes through the regional and local bureaucracies. By the time it should reach the owners, there often is nothing left; it has been stolen by officials at various levels. No one denies the farmers' claims to the land, but no one acts to compensate them. The laborers go from being small farmers to being destitute.
This is a critical process at the heart of Chinese industrialization. The purchase of land, including forced sale, is considered necessary for Chinese economic development. However, Chinese economic development is driven as much by corruption as by land. The government in Beijing has no particular desire to see the farmers dispossessed; on the contrary, the money is made available for delivery to the farmers. But the diversion of funds is hard-wired into the process. It is one of the primary means for capital formation in China.
One of the paths to entrepreneurship in China is to become a government official who can use one's public office for personal savings and networking -- accumulating enough money and useful contacts to move into business later. With massive expropriations of land over the past decade designed to facilitate economic growth, the opportunities -- and compulsion -- to steal money intended for farmers is powerful. In order to hold onto his job, a government official must maintain a system of relationships with superiors, colleagues and subordinates. These relationships are based on money. If the official doesn't find the money to hold his place in the bureaucracy, he will lose it. Therefore, the diversion of funds is built into the system.
The Chinese government wants it both ways. On the one hand, it does not want unrest among farmers. On the other hand, the Communist Party elite in Beijing live by patronage. They have risen through the system because of the web of relationships that makes Chinese industrialization possible. They can, in very specific cases, take action against cases of corruption. However, a systematic attack on the causes of corruption is impossible, without a systematic attack on their own infrastructure.
This is particularly true in rapidly developing provinces like Guangdong. The interface between the new economy and the old has become a battlefield. The old economy was land-based: Mao created a peasant economy that was overlaid by attempts to industrialize. The new economy regards land as an input into the industrial machine. However, given the nature of the Chinese political system, the farmers are not simply bought out -- they are forced off the land. And that can lead to social explosions.
The recent events in Shanwei are unique only in that they resulted in gunfire and death, and because they were brought to light by the anti-Communist media. After these reports were picked up and widely circulated by the international media, the government in Beijing acknowledged what had occurred, adding details that appeared to show that the demonstrators forced the police into shooting. But later, the government announced that the head of the police unit involved had been arrested -- which seems to imply that the story as originally told by the Chinese wasn't altogether accurate. Why arrest the cop if explosives were being hurled at police?
The specifics of what happened, of course, have no geopolitical consequence. What is important is that tensions in China have been rising steadily. Thousands of demonstrations (74,000, according to figures released last year by the government) have taken place -- some reportedly violent, if not fatal. In one case earlier this year, residents protesting corruption related to land seizures took control of their town, forcing the police out. The Chinese government appeared to capitulate to the demonstrators, giving into their demands -- but weeks later, those who had participated in the rising were quietly arrested. In another incident, which also turned deadly, brute squads believed to have been hired by local officials and businesses attacked protesters. There are numerous other examples to draw from.
Beneath the surface, a number of things are taking place. The Chinese economy has been growing at a frantic pace. This is not necessarily because the economy is so healthy, nor because many of these industrial projects make economic sense. In fact, the government in Beijing has been very clear that the new projects frequently don't make a great deal of economic sense, and has been trying to curb them (though it does not necessarily command obedience in every case from provincial or local governments). On the other hand, China needs to run very hard to stay in place. Within what we will call the entrepreneurial bureaucracy -- with pyramiding, undercapitalized, highly leveraged projects being piled one on top of the other -- new investment projects are needed in order to generate cash that stabilizes older, failing projects. Slowing down and consolidating is not easy when there are bank loans coming due and when money has to be spread around in order to maintain one's position in the system.
That means that aggressive economic growth is needed. It also means that massive social dislocation -- including theft of land -- is embedded in the Chinese system. The flashpoint is the interface between the rapidly spreading industrial plants and the farmers who own the land. The bureaucratic entrepreneurs need not only the land, but also the money that legally is due to the farmers.
China is a mass of dispossessed farmers, urban workers forced into unemployment by the failure of state-owned enterprises, and party officials who are urgently working to cash in on their position. It is a country where the banking system has been saved from collapse by spinning off bad debts -- at least $600 billion worth, or nearly half the GDP of China -- into holding companies. This maneuver cleaned up the banks' books and allowed Western banks to purchase shares in them, shoring them up. But it also left a huge amount of debt that is owed internally to people who will never see the funds. Imagine the U.S. savings-and-loan scandal growing to a size that was nearly half of the national GDP. As it happened, in the United States the federal government swallowed a great deal of the S&L bad loans -- but in China, these bad loans would just about wipe out the country's currency reserves, assuming that the numbers provided by the government are valid.
Under such circumstances, it is no surprise that Chinese money is leaving the country, flowing into the safe havens of U.S. T-Bills or offshore mineral deposits. Moreover, it is not clear that China's economy is continuing to grow. China's imports of oil have topped out and, by some reports, have started to decline -- yet the Chinese are continuing to report unabated growth rates. How can the economy be growing rapidly while oil imports decline? The country lacks sufficient energy reserves to fuel such growth, nor can that level of growth be coming from service industries. At any rate, growth rates do not by themselves connote economic health. The rate of return on capital is the ultimate measure of economic success. Anyone prepared to lose money can generate rapid revenue growth. And anyone facing cash-flow crises due to debt burden knows how easy it is to slip into revenue-growth obsession. The Chinese certainly have.
There is, therefore, a tremendous tension within China's new economy. The root problem is simple: Capital allocation has been driven by political and social considerations more than by economic ones. Who gets loans, and at what rates, frequently has been decided by the borrower's relation to the bureaucracy, not by the economic merits of the case. As a result, China, as a nation, has made terrible investments and is trying to make up for it with rapid growth. That is where things get difficult: As before with Japan and East Asia, the economy is thrown into a frenzy of growth in efforts to stabilize the system, but that growth throws off cash that cannot easily be capitalized and therefore is invested abroad. Meanwhile, bad debts -- stemming from continued investment into nonviable or unprofitable businesses, for social or political reasons -- surge, and the government tries to come up with ways to shuffle the debt around. In other words, the origin of the problem is simple -- but the evolution of the problem becomes dizzyingly complex.
This leads to stresses within the advanced economic sector. In China's case, these manifest as competition between different political factions for access to the funds needed to maintain their enterprises. But that is nothing compared to the tension between the new economy and farmers and the unemployed. As the system tries to stabilize itself, it seeks both to grow and to become more efficient. As it grows, the farmers are forced to give up their land. And as it seeks efficiency, industrial workers lose their jobs.
This is an explosive mix in any country, but particularly so in China, which has a tradition of revolution and unrest. The idea that the farmers will simply walk away from their land or that the unemployed will just head back to the countryside is simplistic. There are massive social movements in play that combine the two most powerful forces in China: workers and peasants. Mao did a lot of work with these two groups. Their interests are now converging. The decisions of the bureaucratic entrepreneurs are now causing serious pain, which is becoming evident in increasing social unrest. At Shanwei, that unrest broke into the open, complete with casualties.
The important thing to note is that both the quantity and intensity of these confrontations is increasing. While the Western media focus on the outer shell of China's economic growth -- the side that is visible in Western hotels throughout major cities -- the Chinese masses are experiencing simultaneously both the costs of industrialization and the costs of economic failure. The sum of this equation is unrest. The question is how far the unrest will go.
At the moment, there does not appear to be any national organization that speaks for the farmers or unemployed workers. The risings are local, driven by particular issues, and are not coordinated on any national scale. The one group that tried to create a national resistance, Falun Gong, has been marginalized by the Chinese government. China's security forces are capable, growing and effective. They have prevented the emergence of any nationalized opposition thus far.
At the same time, the growth and intensification of unrest is there for anyone to exploit. It won't go away, because the underlying economic processes cannot readily be brought under control. In China, as elsewhere, the leadership cadre of any mass movement has been made up of intellectuals. But between Tiananmen Square and jobs in Westernized industries, the Chinese intellectuals have been either cowed or hired. China is now working hard to keep these flashpoint issues local and to placate localities that reach the boiling point -- at least until later, when arrests can be made. That is what they are doing in Shanwei. The process is working. But as the economy continues to simultaneously grow and worsen, the social unrest will have to spread.
The discussion about China used to be about "hard" and "soft" landings -- terms that were confined to economics. The events in Shanwei raise the same question in another domain, the political. Police shooting down demonstrators is not an everyday event in China or anywhere else. But it has happened, and this event didn't just come from nowhere. The question of soft and hard landings now must be considered more literally than before.
And in China, hard landings over the past couple of centuries have been bloody affairs indeed.
The first day of the conference proper. Inside, the Americans have already upped the ante, saying the elimination of cotton subsidies (deemed a key project to helping developing countries) is tied to broader agricultural subsidy cuts and saying a heads of government meeting may be needed to take talks forward - that's a vieled sleight at trade ministers, saying they need their bosses to take over because they're all useless. Good luck to the city hosting that gathering!
But as usual there's far more interesting things happening outside the convention centre. The SCMP is going to town on this, with liftouts and massive coverage, including a prominent pointer to their website...which requires paid access, and a cheery "We welcome all the delegates and wish the meeting every success." That should put delegates in the right frame of mind! They even ask for "citizen journalists"...see below.
For those that are wondering what all the fuss is about, Jake van der Kamp save me from having to explain why Italian textile workers and Korean farmers are their own worst enemy in opposing free trade, stealing from the poor to give to themselves and missing the real problems of the WTO. The full article is below the jump.
Other reading
This will be updated throughout the day.
The SCMP has thoughtfully put together a graphic and article of all the crowd control techniques to be used. See below the jump at the bottom.
More amazingly, the SCMP is getting in on the "citizen journalist" act:
Here is your chance to become a citizen journalist. With the WTO ministerial conference getting under way today, opportunities abound for capturing newsworthy images on your mobile phone or video camera. SCMP.com would like to highlight the very best video clips and still images produced by citizen journalists....The SCMP - and our readers - look forward to seeing your work.
Remember, SCMP.com charges for online access. Outsourcing journalisms' moment has arrived! What if citizen journalists do a better job than the SCMP's own team? This citizen journalist thing seems to be taking off.
A look at the precautions the press are taking in covering "the story of the year". I imagine many reporters dream of reporting from a war zone, and this is as close as most Hong Kong journalists will ever get to it. That's partly why they are talking up the chances of violence.
That said, when the SCMP reports the Korean Peasants League considers suicides a legitimate option in protesting the WTO talks, you realise how lunny some of these people are. That said, this same group couldn't get themselves organised enough to book hotel rooms at the Metropole. Perhaps suicide is Darwin's way?
Doug Crets at Curbside reports on the security preparations for the big event, including that hotels are spending HK$500,000 each on security.
Lin Kui-Ming in The Standard has an excellent op-ed noting why Hong Kongers are not behind the protesters and the potential for violence is lower than in Seattle or Cancun: because Hong Kongers are pro-globalisation. Glutter explains her gut instinct is to support the principles of free trade. Also Joanthan Cheng describes why Hong Kong is a great example of the benefits of free trade.
Immigration let in Jose Bove, well known McDonalds renovator, into Hong Kong after a slight (6 hour) delay. All these detentions at the airport are amazing - I always thought you had to be a Filippino to be stopped.
The protest march is going on as I type this (around 14:20 HK time) - as this sorry band march through the streets of Causeway Bay, it seems there are more people watching than protesting. It appears yellow rainjackets are the clothing du jour. As a co-worker observed, there's far less people in Causeway Bay than on a typical shopping day. No Korean farmers have committed suicide....yet. They're not going to get the WTO quaking in their sweatshop sneakers with this. For a bunch of peasants, they all seem very at home protesting in the big city.
Prominent blogger Dan Drezner is in town for the meeting. He's reporting on what's happening inside the ministerial meeting...which in short appears to be not much.
And it's official, the protesters are nuts. They are swimming in Victoria Harbour, just outside the convention centre. Not only is the water cold, it must rate as amongst the most polluted ocean water in the universe. One guy's carrying a South Korean flag. Perhaps this is the first attempted suicide?
The current score: Pro-WTO protesters: 1, everyone else: 0. The media's looking at a real problem: deadlines are starting to loom and nothing's really happened. Long Hair got peppered sprayed and that's about it. And there's acres of newspaper to fill? Actually, Hong Kongers are coming out winners: the traffic is great right now.
Aren't Hong Kong's cops looking spiffy in their riot gear. Talk about money well spent. And they haven't even got it dirty or spoilt yet! At the moment (17:00 HK time) we've got the cops, media and protesters all standing on the street looking at each other and waiting for something to happen. I dare someone to scream out "Korean rice farmers suck"!
It's been a couple of hours and the police line has held. Liberal use of pepper spray and there seems to be more spectactors than there are protesters. Dare I say this is more a "for media" production than a real protest. Long Hair seems to be receiving more than his fair share of pepper spare. Are other scores being settled?
Protesters shoot themselves in foot when they oppose free trade
"Many workers have lost their jobs and their wages have gone down in Italy. The working conditions have also become worse. Textile workers in Italy are most affected. We have come to protest against the talks and we want to tell the world that workers' rights should be respected and we should not be exploited."
Italian protester
Anti-WTO rally
Let us take it straight to the statistics. I have in front of me a United States labour department survey on production wages across the world in 2004. It puts the average wage rate in Italy at US$13.10 per hour. At current exchange rates that would be more like US$15.50 per hour.
Now let's try some comparable production wage rates in poorer Asian countries. These were not covered by the US labour department survey as they fell below its horizons but I have them from statistics published directly by these countries.
For China we shall make it US$6. This is worked out as an estimate from the official figure of 14,000 yuan a year. For Indonesia we come to about US$3.70 and for Bangladesh about US$2.40.
Oh yes, there is one thing I forget to tell you. These last three figures are for average daily wages, not hourly and I believe we are talking of more than an eight-hour workday in these countries. Let us just say that the average Italian production worker is paid somewhere between 30 and 40 times as much as the average poorer Asian one.
So are we to take it as the Italian point of view that the rights of workers mean the rights of Italian workers only and that it is the right of Italian workers to be on the winning side of this income disparity forever?
It is certainly an interesting notion. Exploitation in Italy is unfair. Exploitation in Asia, well, who cares? If textile workers in Bangladesh can compete with their Italian counterparts, then they must be cheating and not allowed to export their wares.
Here is another one from yesterday's paper, this time from a representative of a South Korean farm workers union - "Many farmers feel desperate as they can't make a living in Korea and they are deprived of their right to survival ... The WTO supports free trade, but farmers' and workers' rights are totally ignored."
Now turn to the bar chart. It shows you a comparison of retail prices for rice in US dollars per kilogram for those Asian countries that publish these figures. The rice varieties vary but I have taken the premium variety in each case.
Yes, Korean rice farmers do not gouge their customers quite as severely as Japanese ones do.
Japan is a byword in the world for inefficiently produced and costly rice.
Korean farmers do quite well for themselves, nonetheless. If they still cannot make money from rice sold to consumers at seven times the price that prevails in poorer Asian countries, then perhaps they should do a bit of research on their rice growing techniques.
Try it another way. The red line in the second chart shows you the retail price in US dollars per kilogram of locally produced beef in Korea. The blue line shows you the equivalent price in Hong Kong. We in Hong Kong pay only about 11 per cent of what Koreans pay for a cut of beef and yet we raise no cattle ourselves. Of course, Koreans also have the alternative of imported beef and it costs them only a fourth of what their local beef does. This is what upsets Korean farmers. They want beef imports, already highly restricted, banned from their market.
If you were a Korean consumer and made aware of these facts, would you really have wanted to join Sunday's protests here against free trade?
I accept that the WTO is still somewhat of a rich countries club held hostage to the self-interest of its richer members. I also accept that this results in inequities for poorer countries.
But let us make a distinction between what wealthy WTO hypocrites say and what they do. What they say is right. Free trade is a very worthwhile cause for the world's poor. It is the only way to bring fair wages to those Bangladeshi textile workers and fair prices to Korean consumers at last.
What they do is another matter but it amazes me that so many protesters fail to make this distinction and protest against their own interests when they object to free trade.
Blunt facts about mob control
As the WTO ministerial gets under way, a key issue is an extreme form of customer relationship management: crowd control. The authorities have reason to fret about how the inevitable protests unfold because major WTO events usually degenerate into riots spearheaded by anti-capitalist radicals.
In fact, violence has become such a staple that Grand Theft Auto maker Rockstar Games has developed a WTO riot game called State of Emergency. No wonder police are reportedly stocking up on riot shields and rubber bullets, while the Highways Department is ensuring paving slabs are firmly in place so that protesters cannot use them as missiles.
Despite the rise of internet- and mobile-phone-enabled planning, at its core, rioting remains an enduringly primitive, almost caveman-like activity. In contrast, the technology designed to curb and prevent it has evolved dramatically.
Originally, cops around the globe relied on sticks, sorry, hardwood batons, with which they battered demonstrators into submission. Stick fighting was destined to be superseded by rubber bullets and Tazer, both of which are potentially deadly; another successor, tear gas, is relatively harmless but can drift with the wind.
Hence the emergence of an armada of hi-tech alternatives. One, the "non-lethal acoustic device" pioneered by police in America, and now deployed in Iraq, uses loud, focused sound that can travel about 2km. Commenting on its power, the head of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department technology exploration program Commander Sid Heal reportedly said: "You don't appreciate how powerful this stuff is until you stand a mile away and can't see the transmitter - but can hear every word in a Queen song."
"At a quarter mile, it sounds as clear as a car radio; at a half a mile, you have to raise your voice to talk to the guy next to you; at three quarters of a mile, labourers raking up leaves were putting in music requests," Mr Heal said.
Up close, a blast can be disturbing enough to disperse a crowd. Closer still, the sound can be scary and painful - or worse.
Earlier this year in Jerusalem, the Israeli Army used a device dubbed "The Scream" to break up protesters. They must have scattered fast because The Scream emits noise at frequencies that affect the inner ear, inflicting dizziness and sickness, or even damaging hearing.
Another fearsome hi-tech crowd control weapon, the Active Denial System (ADS), fires a 95-gigahertz microwave beam meant to heat skin and cause pain, but no physical damage. Built by the Massachusetts-based hi-tech defence firm Raytheon, which prides itself on developing "hot technologies", the ADS is slated for deployment in Iraq by 2006.
The ADS resembles a TV dish, and rides mounted on a Humvee. Critics fear that, despite Pentagon assurances that it does no lasting damage, "Rumsfeld's ray gun" could cook victims, causing cancer, or just blinding them.
The pulsed energy projectile (PEP) built by California-based Mission Research and meant to be aimed at ringleaders, is a ray gun with a kick. The PEP fires an invisible plasma pulse that heats up the air so that it explodes and creates a "flash-bang" designed to rock and hurt, but not kill.
Nonetheless, like many non-lethal weapons, the PEP appears distinctly sadistic. The sensible solution may lie left-field. Think "calmatives" and gross, but gentle, "malodorants".
Calmative agents include a profusion of psychoactive substances whose effects range from inducing sleep to overpowering hallucinations. Some such as ketamine, which was used to treat combat casualties in Vietnam, manage both.
Malodorant agents ("stink bombs") have existed since the World War II. Blessed with names such as Who-Me?, they sound silly, but are crudely effective.
Guess which smell is most effective. Clue: in 2001, one obscure Texan biotech firm patented the smell of human faeces to secure its grasp on the ultimate malodorant, which would surely erode the will of any mob, no matter how angry.
Other offbeat options include sticky foam and super lubricants designed to cause slip-ups. To some, these innovations may seem rather slapstick and raise the spectre of the proverbial mad scientist.
However, if protesters play up here, the ideal tactic might well be to neutralise them with soft, strange weapons rather than get physical - that is, thrash and shoot them. Nobody wants to see the blood that defines a real state of emergency.
Trouble has started - some people have tried to swim to the convention center and also burning material has been thrown at the barriers. Don't know any more yet.
the EAS article linked by Marmot's is a pretty old one. it makes a mistake about the NE Asia meeting - which has nothing to do with EAS, but just a side meeting taking advantage of the logistics.
the people's daily article it refers to is here
http://english.people.com(DOT)cn/200512/07/eng20051207_226350.html
Somewhat amazingly, life goes on outside of the WTO conference. And today's papers contain three related but interesting reports on China's economy.
I bet you didn't know China's economy grew 20% overnight! More worryingly, China has done an economic census and discovered it has undercounted its GDP by US$300 billion! From the SCMP:
China's booming economy, already the seventh largest in the world, has been understated by as much as US$300 billion, the country's first nationwide economic census has discovered. The sum, equal to nearly 20 per cent of last year's US$1.65 trillion gross domestic product, highlights the serious understatement of data on the nation's sizzling services sector, according to mainland economists who have been briefed about the census results.
We've talked previously about China's dubious economic statistics, but this takes the cake.
Then China's consumer prices rose only 1.3% in November, a figure lower than expected. This will give the government room to ease fuel and electricity pricing controls but has again sparked worries about deflation. But for the monetists out there, work this out. China's money supply growth is expanding rapidly, according to the SCMP:
China's money supply expanded at the fastest pace in almost two years last month, the People's Bank of China said yesterday on its website. M2, which includes cash and all deposits, grew 18.3 per cent from a year earlier after expanding 18 per cent in October, the central bank said. It was the biggest gain since March last year.
A brief diversion into economics for those of you lucky enough to have avoided the topic. Inflation is the measure of how quickly the prices of goods and services are rising. Money is a good, just like anything else, with its own supply and demand and price (called interest rates). If the supply of money is rising rapidly, allowing for growing demand for money (via increasing wages and economic growth), then more money chasing the same amount of goods means prices (ie inflation) should be rising.
So to how explain this disconnect between roaring money supply and low inflation? There's two possible answers: one is that the money supply figures are wrong and/or meaningless, of which there's a high chance in China's rapidly changing economy. Secondly, the extra money is going into areas not measured by the inflation numbers. This has happened in many Western countries. What would be those areas? Asset markets: in China, property is the main one, although some would also go into shares and other markets.
I don't think so. Asset prices have levelled off in the last year.
What I think the answer is is.....
Remember all those factories and huge amounts of fixed investment that got built in the last two years? They are starting to churn out huge amounts of goods.
When people talk about a bubble economy, they are thinking in terms of Japan in the 1990's or the Soviet Union in the 1980's. The thing that people forget is that China is at a very low level of development and it's at least two or three decades from getting to late-Soviet levels of development and probably at least fifty years from Japanese levels of development.
China is at the stage that you can get huge amounts of development by increasing capital intensity, even if overall productivity isn't growing much. (Think Japan or Russia 1950.)
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 11:01 AM
If that's true, Joseph, that's more of a worry because it implies massive excess capacity being built up. If inventories are being built up, GDP growth will look good now but slump as companies work to sell down their excessive stock holdings. It's an interesting question as to what level of capital intensification is sustainable for a given level of productivity. I suspect China is running ahead of its sustainable rate.
How much to worry depends on what theory of economics one subscribes to.
In the absence of inflation, I don't think that excess factory capacity is an issue. The government can keep the economy running and people employed by keeping the factories running and tossing the production into the ocean.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 12:04 PM
Property prices are edging back, but I do expect that there is much more room to fall. Excess fixed-asset investment is still a problem and there are overcapacities in just about every industry that can be named. I expect much of it to be exported (among others, the grossly overinvested auto sector looks increasingly that it's going to follow that route).
There's also a large amount of cash held in savings. Stocks are one area that isn't overheating though, as market performance is dismal (actually the lack of investment channels here is one of the reasons that property and FAI had been attracting so much cash; no one would want to put much cash into A Shares).
That's not a stupid question, Sun Bin. Most measures of CPI include some measure of rent and imputed rent (ie the rent you would pay in theory even though you actually own your own house) - this is why Hong Kong had several years of deflation. But that's not the same as measuring rising house prices.
Who will be the Henry Ford of China? I don't mean Ford the inventor, but Ford the idealist/economist? Ford really revolutionized America with both his development of the assembly line and his decision to PAY workers enough money to buy his products!
There is bound to be serious friction with China producing so much stuff and taking more and more production share from people who used to previously make this stuff. Wouldn't one way to alleviate some of the potential problems of overproduction (deflation, trade friction, increasing American isolationsim) would be to pay Chinese factory workers more money to buy more stuff? Forget about the problems in raw material and commodity prices -for now- there are bound to be far more serious problems if something is not done to sop up the production. How do you say Schumer-Graham tariff act in Chinese?
If too much WTO isn't enough, you can always trail through the WTO category posts.
My office is about 1 kilometre from the Wan Chai Convention Centre, where this week's WTO meeting is being held. Here's some observations of what life is like at the moment:
* Security is incredibly tight. Our office building foyer is swarming with security staff, who have established a single checkpoint for staff and a seperate one for visitors. Lunchtime was chaos, with multitudes of deliveries going cold as delivery people registered. Each elevator has a security guard in it, an impressive feat in a building with 8 banks of 4 lifts each. Then there's the regular patrols of security throughout the building.
* On top of that, half our staff have been moved to the contingency/backup site, just in case, to allow the smooth functioning of operations. And we had a full fire drill late last week as a pre-WTO test.
* The Coke machine won't be refilled all week.
* On the streets of Central I counted 5 sets of police patrols in the space of 10 minutes this afternoon.
* The b@st@rds at the Cheung Kong Centre have closed the small park behind their building, forcing everyone up and down Battery Path instead, and 8 guards were protecting the blocked off park. Why? Are trees anti-WTO?
* The Christmas marketplace in Chater Square is going strong.
* Many schools are closing tomorrow, including JC's - even though it's in Aberdeen, on the other side of the island. Don't ask me why.
* While yesterday was a glorious, clear and warm sunny day, today is grey, overcast and cold. This anti-WTO mob brought the gloomy weather to suit their gloomy mood.
* Hosting this thing is costing Hong Kong north of HK$150 million. There's they typical newspaper blather of what a waste and why would anyone want to hold such a meeting. Don't believe it - Hong Kong's loving this. It gives us a precursor to life when the PLA leave the barracks to suppress the pro-democracy movement.
* Here's an idea of security around the convention centre.
At HKUST they sent us a series of guidelines for the week which include: Avoid the MTR and all public transit, avoid TST, avoid Wanchai, avoid Starbycks, avoid driving on roads (walk instead), avoid Victoria Park, and finally if you didn't get the point "STAY HOME".
So where is your building getting all these extra security guards from? Have they always had a surplus? If so, where do they keep them when there isn't a WTO conference in the area?
Or have they perhaps hired in extra security staff for the occasion, maybe on temporary contracts, possibly without full knowledge of their background ...
Posted by Argleblaster at December 12, 2005 05:21 PM
I hope the former but fear the latter. The Ghurkas are all right, but who can tell which of the others are fifth columnists?
what a laugh. i'm sad i'm missing it. fortunately your compatriots here in sydney have organised a few riots to make those of us who unfortunately missed the WTO meetings by a few weeks feel like we're still in hk but somehow it's not quite the same.
Writing "north of" (or "south of"), followed by a figure, should be extraditable, _from_ anywhere and _to_ anywhere. There should be international courts for that sort of thing. On reflection, shooting's too good.
It's acceptable useage. Would you prefer "upwards of" instead? Perhaps I should revert to using "thee" and "hither" as well? Ye Olde English etc. etc.?
It's about as acceptable as writing "useage" instead of "usage", although it is probably acceptable in the banking world.
I think what we have here is a disconnect on our front end deliverables which, if we ask the right question, we can get clarity around so we can pull the right levers on the roadmap and slam-dunk our way to nirvana and/or granularity, with a clear steer to the low-lying fruit.
The WTO protesters should have no doubts as to which side of the border they ought to be on. Reports now place the death toll from the riots in Dongzhou village near Shanwei City in Guangdong Province (where local security forces opened fire against demonstrators last week) at 20 people, up from 3 when the Chinese government issued a statement last week Tuesday.
Amnesty International made a statement that the deaths from the riots were the worst inflicted by the government on its own people since Tiananmen, and the first time since that incident that security forces have actually opened fire. Of course we have no way of knowing that - maybe a few of the mine disasters were mis-reported... The area was cordoned off to visitors, and trucks in the vicinity reverted to tried-and-true CCP tactics of blaring PA announcements of "Trust the Government". According to the Taipei Times:
Yesterday, government banners hung at the entrance of Dongzhou said, "Following the law is the responsibility and obligation of the people" and "Don't listen to rumors, don't let yourself be used."
But the fact that the government has detained the commander on the spot for making some bad decisions (he does not need to be formally charged for the next 3 weeks) does show that maybe something has changed since 1989. The Guangzhou Daily reported on the killings as a mistake that was the responsibility of the charged 'Gong An' commander.
The 170 villagers involved in the protests, as our readers will know, are far from alone in making their grievances known the their governments. The Independent of Britain had this interesting factoid:
Official government figures say that 3.76m people took part in at least 74,000 protests in 2004, but many more go unrecorded.
Local Hongkongers should be even more sympathetic when they find out the protests were over a new (highly-polluting) coal-fired power plant blowing smoke in our general direction. The cause of the protests though were not for environmental reasons, but rather because the government had issued compulsory purchase orders for land that the villagers regarded as derisory. Any questions about whether it's the farmers or the city-dwellers that are getting the short end of the stick in China, or why there are so many unregistered migrants in China's urban areas?
"But the fact that the government has detained the commander on the spot for making some bad decisions (he does not need to be formally charged for the next 3 weeks) does show that maybe something has changed since 1989. The Guangzhou Daily reported on the killings as a mistake that was the responsibility of the charged 'Gong An' commander".
I hoped not to read, at least this time, any excuses for a criminal government shooting at its own people again. But clearly and sadly there's always room for excusing a criminal regime. Sorry Dave, but you could spare us that sentence this time.
"Amnesty International made a statement that the deaths from the riots were the worst inflicted by the government on its own people since Tiananmen"
This could be true if we solely consider the deaths caused by known (and I underline known) square shootings. But in China deaths inflicted by the government on its own people include tortures, laogai system, summary executions, farce processes, disappearances and so on...
Title: China: Putting Lipstick on the Pig (Tiananmen II)
Excerpt: China’s communist leadership is trying to paint a smiley face over its most recent brutal suppression of dissent. Five days ago, protestors were gunned downed by police in a village not far from Hong Kong. The authorities blame a “few instigators” for the violence, but this event is indicative of growing socio-economic shifts in mainland China; namely the disparity between those profiting from communist experimentation with capitalism, and those left on the sidelines.
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Posted by Steve Jackson at December 13, 2005 12:15 AM
Hi Enzo, I appreciate the clarification. I don't see myself as an apologist for China. I frequently criticize the country.Anyplace that recognizes its power industry as they key to its growth and yet allows over 3,000 miners to die horrible deaths each year in illegal coal mines has something terribly wrong with the status quo.
But I do feel I am justified in pointing out that the incident, which was terrible, did not end in silence and a collective nightmare where everything goes on as before, pretending nothing happened. Such would have been the standard response 15 years ago. Instead, the Chinese authorities detain the commander and say outright that he was wrong to exercise deadly force. They also use a provincial newspaper to condemn the actions of the commander.
Of course, the government, as I point out, is still at pains to go through the motions of a cover up, not allowing journalists in and shouting empty slogans from trucks. But I think there is some difference in how they handled the situation today from the way they would have handled it in the past. It may be politically incorrect, but I do not think it is an inhuman observation.
That being said, there is still a long way to go before the Chinese government can claim to have anything but a terrible human rights record. Life is cheap in China, and has ever been treated as such. Chinese authorities trumpet the human rights of the community rather than of the individual, taking a totally fatalistic view about their own inability or unwillingness to go that extra mile to ensure the safety and well-being of that one marginal individual. Until that attitude changes wholesale, I do not see that Third World tendency toward denial, obfuscation and irresponsibility for the people involved, dissipating when tragedies occur. Let us simply hope that China's wealth and growing middle class will finally force the governments to recognize people and individuals as being as having the same right to life as top cadres and businessmen.
One should note that in CCP parlance, "instigator" is very mild. They weren't described as "hooligans," "rioters," "criminal elements," or "black hands." Also there was no attempt to make the police look heroic.
Also the tendency to cover up is not a third world tendency. Any government official (or CEO) who *can* cover things up, *will* cover things up whether Chinese or American, Communist or capitalist. It's just human nature. The difference is how much the system will let you get away with covering things up.
The thing about this situation is that given the international press coverage, at this point it is impossible for the Chinese government to totally bury the story, and there are very strong limits to the degree to which the Chinese government can spin the story.
This all makes me wonder if these are improving or not improving. The Financial Times mentioned that it is probably not true that this is the first use of deadly force by police since TAM, just the first one that has massive Western coverage. I've noticed that an awful lot of these incidents happen in Guangdong, which makes me wonder if these sorts of things happen more often in Guangdong, or if it has something to do with the fact that Guangdong is close to Hong Kong.
I have this feeling that if something like this happened in rural Yunnan, that no one would ever have heard of it, and the only real reason that this got a lot of press coverage was because Radio Free Asia had been covering this for the last several months. If the RFA reporter had been in another village, it's likely we would have never heard of this.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 10:35 AM
Looking at political systems, I've come to the conclusion that with a few exceptions, the people in one government are rarely morally better than people in another. Personally, I don't think that people in the Chinese government are less honest, moral, or prone to cover ups than people in the US government. It's just that the system in the US allows much less leeway to cover things up.
One corrollary of this is that if you put US government officials in a position where they can cover things up, they will behave badly, whereas if you put Chinese officials in a position where they can't cover things up or in which they feel that a cover-up is self-destructive, they will behave well.
One other corrolary is the idea that democratic officials are by their nature more moral than authoritarian officials is rather dangerous.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 10:46 AM
- Life is cheap in China....
Life is cheap everywhere if those lives are people one doesn't feel any particular connection to.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 10:53 AM
Joseph, I am sympathetic to your position that culture is far less important than institutions in determining social and individual potential outcomes, and thereby, assuming rational choice, individual behavior. I do think though that in the case of China, it is difficult to separate culture from institutions given the Jurassic-style bureacracy and institutions China has lived with for decades. While polices have changed substantially, the institutional framework in which modern China exists has not, nor has the people of China that have all lived through the same horrific shared experiences of the cultural revolution (resulting in the pendulum swinging the other way towards unbridled capitalism and self-interest).
At what point, for instance, if we make a generalization about an American, due to culture, and what due to the institutions of America? It is hard to separate the two because America has spawned a political culture and an enduring belief in its Constitution that are key components of American identity.
In the same way, I would argue to try to separate the two is simplistic in China. People and the government in China will do what they can get away with (which is a great deal) and so will Americans (which is substantially less). But it is still perfectly valid for me to criticize the government of China for doing something I regard as immoral, because whether a problem is systemic or particular to individuals.
I view the about face in Chinese press coverage of Dongzhou as indicative of the Chinese press realizing they could not get away with dismissing the incident. In that sense, things must have gotten better, even if the intentions and instincts of the press and the government (still more or less the same thing) have not changed.
And let's face it, if a country still lauds Mao even after the millions of people he condemned to death, (among a countless litany of examples) life is cheaper here than most other places.
Dave, the reality is: a despotic power shoots again against its own people and the world knows it despite regime censorship. We should condemn without hesitations.
If we immediately underline that a local official was arrested without noting that he likely is a scapegoat, it looks like if we were trying to mitigate the responsibility of the despotic power by a convenient but wrong comparison: "look" - we are saying - "how better is the despotic power: it only killed 20 or more people, admitted 3 and arrested someone (to wash its own hands). It's not Tiananmen, we should be happy". Of course it's not Tiananmen but it's a new crime against chinese people. We should condemn it. Stop.
I'm not suggesting that it is wrong to criticize. However, the whole point of the exercise is to change things, and one can't reasonably change things if one doesn't understand the dynamics behind things. The trouble with moral indignation is that it suggests that the solution is to destroy the old system completely and start from scratch. Tried that, it doesn't work.
My experience is that people overemphasize "deep cultural factors" and this leads people to vastly underestimate how much and how quickly things can change (either positively or negatively).
If you put Chinese officials in a position where they have to defend their actions, they will very quickly adapt to stay in power. If you put American officials in a position where they don't, they will very quickly start behaving badly (see US behavior in Iraq).
Also acting from a position of moral superiority also implies that one would make better or more rational decisions if one was in a similar position. I have this sense (and this is from reading about police shootings in other contexts) that had anyone one of us been in the same position as the police commander with the same information and pressures, that anyone of us would have likely given the order to fire. (Which is precisely why the commander has to be dealt with quite harshly.)
The other problem with moral indignation is that it leads one not to question historical mythology. For example, Chinese government has had deep bureaucratic institutions for a much shorter period of time than the United States or Western Europe (pre-1949 governmental institutions stopped at the county level, the CCP is the first Chinese government in over a thousand years to have representatives of the government at the village and township levels.)
My own analysis is that a lot of the tension that has been attributed to deep Chinese historical values isn't. It's due to modern budgeting practices (in particular local governments are bankrupt.)
Also I wouldn't be too harsh on the veneration of Mao. In front of the Texas State Capitol is still a monument to fallen Confederate heros who fought and died to defend an institution that was arguably far worse than anything Mao ever did.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 13, 2005 09:58 PM
The last sentence is enough to interrupt any serious debate.
-The last sentence is enough to interrupt any serious debate.
Why? No one today would seriously defend chattel slavery, yet there is a version of history has been written that minimizes the involvement of Southern Confederate generals in defending that institution, and focuses on their "heroic characteristics." It's not that different than what has been done to Mao. (Minimize role in CR, maximize role in defending "us" against "them.")
One could try to come up with counterarguments (i.e. the Great Leap Forward was morally worse than the enslavement of African Americans). But the position which compares the official history of Mao with the "Lost Cause/State's Rights" explanation for the US Civil War is appropriate. So it is worth debating.
I should point out that part of the reason I make this analogy is that I don't like Mao, and if were up to me, I'd have his picture generally removed and replaced with Sun Yat-Sen. But I'm willing to tolerate keeping up some old statues so that we aren't constantly refighting the Civil War (either Chinese or American).
Also, I'm more interested in getting things done than condemnation. The trouble with constant condemnation is that it gets to the point of self-righteousness and that gets annoying after a while.
A lot of my experiences come from being around overseas Chinese democracy activists post-Tiananmen. The trouble with taking a hard line "Chinese government is evil" stance is that pretty soon you get to the point that you are labelling as either evil or traitorous anyone that has anything good to say about the Chinese government. Pretty soon that includes just about everyone who doesn't agree 99% with your view of the world, and you end up just talking with yourself.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 14, 2005 12:51 AM
Joe, I think you are under the mistaken impression that I am some American guy that feels moral outrage at China, and that you feel it necessary to remind me of things that are shameful in the American past or present. This is incorrect, and if you had read my comments more closely you would have figured this out. We both seem to believe that institutions are the most important thing. I would say, though, that you trivialize your own arguments by generalizing about Iraq in terms of American behavior there. You should heed your own words: "Also, I'm more interested in getting things done than condemnation. The trouble with constant condemnation is that it gets to the point of self-righteousness and that gets annoying after a while." If you're suggesting that all *I* do is criticize China, you should look through past pages.
I also don't really see the point of comparing Mao to Jefferson Davis. If we're going back to that point in history, we can compare the Civil War to the Taiping Rebellion (55 million dead). Which one was worse for the non-combatants? No-one today in America defends slavery. But many people in China still believe that the millions Mao sent to their deaths was 'a necessary price.' Which, I really think you have to admit, is a mindset that cheapens the value of life when you can say such a statement.
HKDave: Part of the problem with forums is that threads get mixed up.
No one I know personally in China is willing to defend the GLF or the CR, nor have I read any intellectual or government official in the PRC who has anything good to say about the GLF or the CR, even as a necessary evil. I have heard Western Maoists do so, but I consider their connection with reality somewhat tenuous. The official PRC version of history is that the GLF and CR were "serious mistakes for which Mao was responsible."
The situation with Mao is whether respect he gets among people I know comes with what he did pre-revolution, and this is where the Confederate heroes analogy comes in. No one seriously defends slavery, but there are many people in the South who publicly admire Robert E. Lee and wave the Confederate flag, because these symbols have been "sanitized" in much the same way Mao has been in China. The state of Texas still celebrates Confederate Heroes Day.
I think Mao was a monster, but I regard his statues and pictures in much the same way I regard the statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest (who founded the KKK) that sits in front of the University of Texas main building. It's a relic from an earlier time.
There is a problem with rewriting history though. One problem is that there are remarkably large numbers of Americans who seriously believe that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery. The second problem is that pretty much no one in China today is willing to say anything good about the CR and GLF. I do worry about a "neo-Maoist" resurgence once the CR generation passes away in a few decades.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 14, 2005 10:00 AM
HKDave: If you aren't American, then I apologize for making a rather obscure historical analogy. I wasn't trying to argue that the United States was morally worse than China, but rather that the process of "historical sanitization" that Mao went through isn't really unique to China, and you get it in the American South.
History is always complex, and people in the American South still have very complex attitudes toward the Civil War. One thing that is odd is that in order to deal with the legacy, people put different statues and symbols. The statue of Forrest is near Martin Luther King street, and there's been an interesting habit of putting statues of African-Americans near statues of Confederate heroes as part of a compromise. In Texas, Confederate Heroes Day is the same week as Martin Luther King Day.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 14, 2005 10:10 AM
Sunday marked the first day of WTO protests, both pro (crowd estimate: 1) and anti (crowd estimate: 4,000 - although using last week's democracy march counting estimates, this number could really be anywhere between 4 and 40,000).
Who are the real winners and losers out of the WTO talks? The losers are easy to identify: already business is down in Wan Chai, ironically hurting the myriad small businesses and migrant workers these anti-WTO types pretend to stand for. Security is noticeably tighter at office buildings and hotels across the city. The protesters are getting prepared for their "peaceful" marches, purchasing gas masks and stealing uniforms.
The winners are harder to pick. The local media are having a field day. The English language press are preparing for blanket coverage while running full page ads from protectionist groups: today's is one from US steel manufacturers with a little girl standing in front of a portrait of a steel mill and asking "What if this were the only way our kids could see a U.S. factory?" It's intended to be a rhetorical question, although I don't know there are millions of America schoolkids clambouring for an excursion to the local factory, or that it's a good excuse to subsidise and prop up "ailing" manufacturers (who are doing better than ever). Clearly the other winners are tunnel users and the vast entourages wondering around Hong Kong, and Hong Kong's luxury retailers. No one spends like a trade ministry delegation.
What do the protesters stand for? It's a diverse collection. There's the migrant workers, the rural protectionists, the manufacturing protectionists, the anti-globalisers and the merely confused. In short, it's a collection of all those who don't understand economics and aren't interested in eliminating their ignorance. For example, try this guy in a chicken suit:
British activist Tom Grundy was dressed as a chicken and held a sign that said, "WTO: more dangerous than chicken flu."
"We need to raise awareness of the true intention of the WTO," he said. "It's undemocratically elected. It undermines and overrides any law a country wants to bring to protect workers and the environment."
"It's undemocratically elected" - just like FIFA and the UN. Just to remind you, this is a meeting of the trade ministers from 149 countries. What's to elect? Undermines and overrides laws? You bet - that's what treaties do. This guy is an insult to chickens.
There is another irony. To some extent the protesters have valid points. World trade is unfair as it stands, with massive subsidies and market distortions making the world's poor poorer for the sake of rich French framers' vanity. Labour does get exploited. But the answer isn't to destroy the one multilateral avenue for negotiating improvements in world trade. To compound the irony, many of these same anti-globalisation protesters are fiercly pro-UN. Apparently some kinds of globalisation are OK.
When the various protesters look around Hong Kong and see widespread prosperity driven by unilateral free trade and capitalism, will it cause any of them to question their flimsy assumptions? Unlikely, because logic and rationality seldom triumph over dogma and faith.
Other links
This will be updated throughout the day.
You can follow all the events and updates via the Curbside at the WTO site, maintained by The Standard and HK University. I will be helping them out.
A professor takes on the 3 common claims of anti-globalisers and anti-capitalists and comes to this conclusion: the anti-globalists and anti-capitalists aren't crashing the barricades on the road to prosperity, they are the barricades.
Unsurprisingly, Starbucks is a potential target for protesters. Couldn't they be more original and all head out to Lantau and protest about Disney. No-one's going to be inconvenienced then!
In case you're looking for it, here's the website of the Hong Kong People's Alliance on WTO (although I don't recall them being democratically elected).
Outrage strikes! Our Coke machine won't be refilled this week due to the disruption! Now they've gone too far! Let the Coke through...us greedy capitalists need it. And another point - if these gas masks were stolen to avoid tear gas, would anyone notice in Hong Kong's polluted city centre?
Revealed: one of Hong Kong police's major weapons against WTO protesters: playing at loud volumes the Christmas Carol musak that is taking over shopping malls and elevators all over the city. Film at 11.
Hemlock also wants to know what the protesters are on about:
Which of the wide variety of brainless causes does our scantily clad friend here espouse? Is she fighting for higher food prices for Korean families? Higher clothes prices for Europeans? Higher steel prices for Americans? Or is she fighting for foreign-owned factories in Southeast Asia to be shut down so the workers are thrown back into subsistence farming and have to pull their kids out of school?
The Economist covers the 12/4 Hong Kong democracy march (no sub. req'd for that one) with some interesting points along the way, including the diminishing aims of the democracy movement (from universal suffrage in '07/08 to now just a timetable), the Anson Chan factor, and the potential benefits of democracy for China as demonstrated by the success of the Kuomintang in Taiwan's recent elections. Nothing earth-shattering but it's a fair overview of the march and actual situation in Hong Kong at present. But the final paragraph is baffling:
Meanwhile, comfortingly for China, as well as for Mr Tsang, there appears to be little appetite in Hong Kong for sustained, let alone violent, protests that could threaten the territory's recent recovery from its prolonged economic malaise. China's leaders should now be clearer what Hong Kong wants, but also of the limits to which it is prepared to go to get it.
Have any of the protests in recent years threatened Hong Kong's economic recovery? Is the Economist suggesting Hong Kongers will need to take up arms to win democracy? The last time limits were tested, fully 500,000 people showed up, the Chief Executive soon resigned and the planned Article 23 legislation was buried and deemed the third rail of Hong Kong politics.
If anyone can decypher the meaning of the article's last paragraph, please explain it to me.
Well, It seems to say that democracy in HK can only be obtained through violence.
Violence would hurt the economy.
Thank god they don't have democracy.
If you only watch thing this week, make it the way of sushi. Improve your Japanese, learn the ancient rituals involved with Japan's favourite snack food and enjoy.
On a completely unrelated note, a new HK blog: Maybe HK. And the world's favourite English language Chinese blogger, ESWN is featured in Hong Kong's widely read Next magazine and LfC has translated some choice quotes. It's a just reward for the English language model worker award winner.
Back from Tokyo, where I couldn't help but wonder a couple of things:
Jared Diamond lauds Japan's excellent forestry management (albeit while still having a dig at their outsourcing of "resource exploitation"), and yet Japan's the world's third biggest greenhouse gas producer. Does one cancel the other?
There has been talk elsewhere that people don't often bother to vote because in economic terms the marginal value of a vote is very close to zero. The best counter to that is what's happening now in Hong Kong - many people are giving up hours of their time to march, or to organise, or to blog, or to write articles, or to lobby for democracy. Assuming pro-democracy campaigners are rational (economically, at least) there must be a value for voting that is significantly non-zero.
While on democracy, in a way liberal democracy has basically "won" the ideology war. The proof? Even dictatorships pay lip service to it. North Korea is a "Democratic" republic; China's leadership often talks about it (even if it doesn't happen in practice). Why do they bother with lip service unless even these recalcitrants recognise that democracy is the most stable and most popular (albeit still imperfect) political model?
Next week is WTO week here in Hong Kong. While nobody is looking forward to the dreaded chaos, I suspect (or at least hope) that it will not turn out half as bad as we all fear. Judging by the dual-layered shipping container barriers at Tamar, the anti-WTO protests could turn out to be nice cheap entertainment for the non-Disney goers amongst us.
On the subject of WTO, there is to be an anti- anti-WTO march on Sunday at Victoria Park. If you're rational, realise that free trade is a good thing and Hong Kong is a prime example of the good even unilateral zero trade barriers can be, go along. It won't be 250,000 people, but it would be good to prove the rabble-rousers and "peasant leagues" (ie professional protesters) that there are actually people that know they're wrong.
Before I get to the newest Jamestown Foundation China Brief, full service should resume Monday, WTO chaos permitting. OK, China Brief time:
1. China's countering of US influence in Asia - Willy Lam uses alphabet soup to summarise the newest version of the Great Game.
2. The costs of China's modernisation - industrialisation can be dirty, and it's now getting to the point China's environment is becoming a domestic political issue. What do you call a Chinese environmentalist? A red green? A green red?
3. Hu spurs debate on North Korean succession - maybe when Hu's finished with China (and he's come up with his obligatory theory to insert into the constitution) he can take on the Hermit Kingdom?
4. For you military nuts, there's modernising the PLA's logistics. That's the military logistics, not the PLA's corporate logistics. That's much tougher.
As we all know we will soon experience a visit from the World Trade Organization. The detentions have already started, with two members of the International League of People's Struggle and one from the May First Movement, all from the Philippines, kept back for several hours before being allowed into Hong Kong. My view is that the fact that these professional protesters are being allowed in at all is a significant concession on the part of the local authorities.
I stumbled onto a website this morning called CommonDreams.org, and had an article from a planned protest attendee about the Hong Kong Ministerial. It was a fascinating insight into the flaccid arguments of these anti-globalization protesters, who appear, at base, to be against growth in countries like China or India.
I do not think a refutation of this particular trade xenophobe's thesis is necessary, but I will quote some of the highlights:
The WTO aims to consolidate a series of policy reforms that many countries have implemented over the last 25 years, following IMF and World Bank structural adjustment programs in developing countries, and Reagan-Thatcher prescriptions in the US and Europe. Referred to as “free trade,” “ the Washington Consensus” or what we call “corporate globalization,” the policies include privatizing public services, weakening labor laws, deregulating industry, opening up to foreign investment, shrinking the non-military government, lowering of tariffs and subsidies, and focusing on exports over production for national markets.
This time period has seen a sharp decline in economic growth worldwide.
The WTO has failed to produce economic growth because this entire model is actually geared to increase the power of corporations in the governance of the global economy. Rather than governing just trade, the WTO is better understood as a global corporate power-grab, aiming to impose a one-size-fits-all set of rules on national issues of public services, intellectual property, agriculture, industrial development, and more. Under this flawed model of corporate globalization, not only is economic growth sluggish, but economic inequality has vastly increased, diminishing prospects for development and the attainment of universal economic human rights.
It will be hard for her to find people here that buy into the idea that the last quarter century has seen a "sharp decline in economic growth worldwide."
Land reform, food subsidies for the poor, and sustainable production are core elements of a fair and healthy food system. But the WTO rules are based on an ideology of food for export, not for eating.
I rest my case. For a more balanced view of the upcoming round, the Economist has a thoughtful piece, and reminds everyone that European taxpayers are subsidizing their inefficient farmers to the tune of 40 billion Euros a year.
The anti-globalization folks leave me cold too, but there's no doubt that companies arbitrage more than just wages when they move stuff offshore.
This American Life on NPR did a great piece about how Cambodia is getting sqeezed because of this. Go to this site and listen to act 2 of "David and Goliath."
Posted by Derek Scruggs at December 14, 2005 07:35 AM
This American Life is a rather good show! I used to listen to it several years back...will have to download their podcasts.
Every time I hear about people losing their jobs due to globalization, though, I always think of the counterfactual - if you legislate tariff barriers to keep jobs from being lost - you are taking a job from someone else, somewhere (not to mention the chance for a business or entrepreneur in your own country to provide a better product or service). I often wonder, if considerations of job losses are by definition nationalistic (rather than global) how on earth do protesters from different countries manage to march together?
In case it wasn't clear, the This American Life episode wasn'isn't about Americans losing jobs. Rather, it's about Cambodians losing their jobs to Vietnam, Thailand, China and other places.
Cambodia adopted a number of Western-style labor laws in the 80s and 90s - minimum wage, eight hour workdays, no child labor etc. They were able to do this because they were a preferred traing patner with the US under a special law adopted in the 90s. That law expired in 2003 (I think? can't remember the exact date) and now they're getting sqeezed big-time.
Re: this point:
> I often wonder, if considerations of
> job losses are by definition
> nationalistic (rather than global) how
> on earth do protesters from different
> countries manage to march together?
Well, I think you should make that "rich, democratic" countries. I doubt you'll see a lot of Egyptians or even Russians protesting there.
Not that I agree with them ideologically, but I think it's reasonable to ask whether democracy (or the lack thereof) should get you special consideration vis a vis global trade agreements.
Look at the Harbin benzene spill - would that happen in the (democratic) West? And, if so, what would be the political consequences?
Posted by Derek Scruggs at December 15, 2005 01:14 PM
Hi Derek, thanks for your thoughtful comments. I should point out though that not only are there Korean farmers here but also protesters from the Philippines and other Southeast Asian nations experiencing the structural 'squeeze' of not being able to offer competitive production (in terms of labor cost vs. skill sets vs. infrastructure) costs vis-a-vis China or India. I was marvelling at their mutual desire to protest together.
I definitely think the benzene spill could happen in democratic third-world countries - one need look no further than Union Carbide in Bhopal, India in the 1980s. The company was excoriated, yes, but the amount of compensation they were required to pay to the victims was pitiful.
You raise an interesting point by suggesting that trade be directed to democracies. It is an intriguing notion, but it seems to me that a counter-example is in US relations vs. Burma, and relations vs. China over the last 20 years. Both have been ruled by repressive, autocratic regimes. Due to foreign policy dictates, the US pursued a policy of economic isolation against Burma, whereas it chose to engage in a policy of engagement with China. Which regime seems closer to having a middle class capable of bringing about gradual political liberalization? The answer is clearly China.
I am all for democracy - but at the appropriate time. The world's stage is sadly littered with examples of countries that attempted a democratic transition before it has the institutions, the resources, and the level of social and economic development to do so. As Fareed Zakaria pointed out in his book the Future of Freedom, there actually is something approaching a magic formula - democratic transitions that occur in countries that have a GDP per capita above US$8,000 or its inflation adjusted equivalent are far more likely to succeed in their endeavor than one well below that line (the only exception being resource-rich states which tend to be centralized and do not depend on a large middle class for their wealth, like Saudi Arabia).
To me, trade should not be used as a weapon, but as a means whereby one encourages the adoption of free enterprise, secure property ownership, and meritocratic growth. The East Asian experience very much suggests that to be a winning formula. It would align the broadest number of people in a truly 'developing' (meant descriptively, not as an euphemism for permanent poverty) country with the original spirit that infused the framers of the American Constitution - promoting life, individual liberty and the pursuit of property (I believe 'happiness' was used as a polite replacement in the final version).
In that sense, I would not in the final analysis agree with your policy to reward democratic regimes with better trade terms, as although I would see such a policy as well-intentioned, I would also see it having a negative overall effect on world trade or indeed on promoting democracy worldwide in the long run.
Interesting to see that there *are* protestors from developing nations there. Hmmm...
Yes, I thought of the Bhopal disaster, and I think that's one more complication to throw in an otherwise brilliant point. ;) India is a democracy, but it's also amazingly corrupt (not to mention vastly more socialist back in the 80s). The sad reality is that "democracy" is hard to measure, so how do you tie trade to it? It would be an exercise every bit as political as anything else.
I also believe in constructive engagement with non-democratic states. Burma is a good example, Cuba is another. But these are also issues of national security, not just economics. In other words, trade is still about broader state-to-state relations, not just prices and jobs.
To be clear, I'm a free-trader. But the orthodoxy of free trade tends to gloss over the fact that there is an arbitrage game going on. "Specialization" and "comparative advantage" are clean-sounding words that mask, for example how much cheaper it is to bribe a plant inspector in Jilin than to abide by EPA regulations in the US.
As I say, I support free trade and think most of the WTO protestors are whackos, but the polarized political environment here in the US has escalated this issue into a near Holy war. Interesting that so many people here who hate the UN seem to love the WTO, even though the latter has much more of an effect on sovereignty.
Posted by Derek Scruggs at December 16, 2005 02:37 AM
Hi Derek, I do think that the WTO could do more to ensure environmental regulations are enforced in countries. But I think to democratize the institutions of the WTO and make all of its backroom neogtiations completely transparent would be a mistake that would prevent it from getting things done, and make it beholden to special interest groups that do not have the national interest of particular countries at stake.
You're right. If the WTO were a legislative body, nothing would ever get done. But lack of transparency also feeds public cynicism and provides a wedge for ideological opponents. I don't know how you overcome that.
Ultimately, its ideology that screws things up. The lefties have their ideology and the righties have theirs. But nothing gets done unless you find a compromise, and the people who make it happen are "sellouts" and "traitors."
Did I mention I hate ideology? ;)
Posted by Derek Scruggs at December 16, 2005 11:27 PM
Last night I had dinner with a well-known fund manager who expressed his disgust at Taiwan's parliament. Various politicians had apparently proposed a measure that would limit the spread between credit card interest rates and savings accounts to 10%. It was a populist move that the politicians had independently arrived at, irresponsibly thinking that while it would score them some points with the public, it would never actually pass. The responsible thing would have been for them to let the banks determine their own credit card APRs according to the dictates of the market. The banks of Taiwan are rather sluggish entities whose credit card businesses are their only real source of profitability.
But of course, it looks as though it will pass now, because so many politicians had already committed themselves to it. Given Taiwan's hollowing-out to China, this move to hamstring the banks, supposedly in favor of the public, will do little to improve the domestic economy (except punish delinquent payers less). My interlocutor used this opportunity to compare the stupidity of Taiwan's lawmakers with the wisdom of Beijing's technocrats, and posited that democracy has often failed [his own] Chinese race.
I found this conclusion appalling and intriguing in equal parts, and so we had a heated debate on the subject. We were able to agree that democracy can often produce inferior candidates to a benign autocracy, but that the trouble lay in when an autocracy picked a bad leader. And while China has been on a fairly good run for the last couple of decades (with some notable exceptional issues) I pointed out that the 180 years before that China had a very poor run indeed. Where do you stand?
A potential problem for the development of democracy in China is, like quite a few other nations, it doesn't have the same types of heritage that many "successful" democracies have eg centuries of democratic development, independent arms of government, public services with a sense of independence and accountability etc. Not that these are always present.
From another perspective, I think China suffers the same problem as many other ex-socialist nations ie you had 50-80 odd years when the only ways get rich were (i) crime or (ii) join the party/government/bureaucracy (with a lot of crossover between the two). So you had people driven by materialism (who, in another country, might become business men or entrepreneurs of some other type) channelled into government/party/bureaucracy, which then contributed to the overall culture of those institutions. As a result, in 2005, those with the wealth and/or power, and those institutions that will produce the potential leaders of tomorrow, are heavily flavoured with self-interested materialism. In sort, the after effects of authoritarian socialism on culture and institutional culture live on well after its death.
These are broad arguments and not particularly comprehensive. But I think both have an element of truth in the context of China's democratic development.
On top of these broad, apply-to-any-culture, arguments, you have to take into account that we Chinese have a culture which is, at least today, largely self-interested, insular (from a familial level right up to the national level), greedy and short-sighted. These adjectives apply to all human beings, but more so to the modern Chinese in HK and the Mainland than other cultures I've encountered (although perhaps I just encounter it more in Chinese people because I encounter more Chinese people). This is fuel to the aforementioned fires.
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 8, 2005 02:18 PM
Interesting. There have been continuous reports about India on NY times recently which have basically touched the same topic. It seems that Indian engineers, who are building their interstate highway, are not happy with their democratic system. The transaction fee for the business is too high.
By the way, not many chinese people understand the difference between populism and democracy. I myself am trying to understand the relationship of populism and democracy, but I am still not very clear.
Hi Tiu Fu Fong, thanks for your contribution. Firstly, I do agree with you that China is going through a 'selfish' phase, for lack of a better word, with capitalistic self-enrichment and Ayn Rand type thinking the bywords for modern society - I think, as a reaction to decades of mismanagement under suboptimal socialist strategies. But I do not think that individualistic capitalism and democracy are exclusive to one another - democracy, after all, is simply the aggregation of an entire electorate voting in his or her own self-interest.
I think I more or less agree with you that China is not ready for democracy today - but it has less in my view to do with particularistic cultural reasons of it being unfamiliar to Chinese people, and more to do with the aggregate level of socioeconomic development.
Ultimately, as I have mentioned before in these pages, a successful democracy and the desire for democracy has to be generated from within, and not imposed from the outside. And it is generally not until the middle class of a country (created by economic progress) makes its needs heard and expressed to its leadership in a comprehensive way that a country is ready for democratic development - as we have seen from numerous examples throughout history. Even where it was imposed (i.e. postwar Germany and Japan) there was already a middle class that was willing to express its views.
Countries that do have thriving democratic cultures today, including Korea, Spain, Portugal and yes even Taiwan, did not have them twenty years ago and you could have made the same argument. The Chinese in particular of Taiwan have proven themselves fairly adept at maintaining a polity that has achieved economic progress steadily throughout its years of democratization. I gave the credit card issue as an example of a suboptimal democratic outcome but there is no doubt that they have done well despite the external threat of China's manufacturing base in continuing economic growth and in reducing corruption in the country.
Lin, you bring up an interesting point, and I would argue that the difference between populism and democracy is this - populism, or mob rule, is simply the victory of Tocqueville's 'tyranny of the majority' over the few. A proper democracy prevents this by a legalistic system of checks and balances, of robust institutions, which while seeming inefficient to outsiders, tends to prevent the worst aspects of mob rule. The Supreme Court of the US, for instance, is not a mass-elected court, and its views of jurisprudence prevent overzealous legislators from undermining the integrity of the US constitution. That would be my short answer. I would highly recommend you read Robert Dahl (an eminent political scientist) and his book Ployarchy, where he defines the difference between "Praetorianism" and "Democracy". (Praetorianism refers to a period in the Roman Empire circa 250 AD when it was the army that decided the next emperor and was characterized by mob rule).
As I read it, maybe the credit card bill by Taiwanese legislators could end up being good for the banks. The 'sluggish' banks won't be able to rest on profits from credits and may actually be forced to find new revenue streams--in turn making them more competitive.
My first time here, so greetings to the gracious host.
Just a point to Tiu Fu Fong about the role of "heritage" in becoming fully democratic. I think that the Chinese people have millennia worth of heritage in one important aspect of "successful democracies" which is free enterprise (or whatever has passed for the skills needed to survive in past epochs.) Everywhere there are overseas Chinese,they seem to be the merchants and middle men between locals and the far-away and exotic. Under Mao that tradition perhaps was indeed suppressed, but the explosive growth we see today is surely the effect of just SOME liberalization, mainly in opening up to and connecting to the rest of the world. I think the phenomenon of rampant piracy in China can be looked at with some degree of optimism in that it shows a competent imitativeness, and eagerness to become a part of the rest of the world. I think the key is to accelerate that process by exporting more MTV, CSI and Oprah to China -- a cultural offensive as it were to encourage such integration into the wider global culture. I think in this sense greed and self-interest are good things since those are the same sorts of things that motivate everyone else, as you've already pointed out. I first traveled to China in 1971, when it was the Gang of Four in control and Shen Tzen (don't know if that's the spelling nowadays) was a goat herd's shack. It's amazing to find a stock exchange and traffic jam of Mercedes and BMWs there now (well Hondas anyway).
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I will defend Taiwan's populist democracy this time over the 10% spread issue.
your fund manager friend has his right to rant, banks of course wants less regulation.
but is taiwan discriminating foreign banks by setting different threshold? if so, they can deal with it in WTO.
if not, this is just a regulation which would limit credit card market growth, on th eprudent side. if you look at consumer risk management as a continuum spectrum, e.g. there is no risk issuing card to people like you. (I always pay my full dues before the deadline and APR is irrelevant for me) there is always a profitable segment, depending where you make the cut. Taiwan is asking the banks to cut the segment on the safe side.
as for the banks, they have the right to not enter if their risk management skill is not as sophisticated.
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to generalize populist democracy, i would rather look at 50 democracies statistically. and point out that after some trial and error, taiwan would find the best solution for its people. as for today, the people believe 10% is a sound spread. after 12 month, if many credit card applications were rejected due to this reason, the votes would change and they may increase 10% to 15%, or lift the control totally.
Sun Bin, absolutely I agree with you that in the long run, Taiwan's parliament does and will do the right thing. But every once in a while it does come up with a decision that is difficult to understand in terms of the aggregate good of the country - I had to concede to my friend that this was one of them. I do not think it will make local banks more efficient by making delinquent payers have less of an interest bill at the end of the month. I find it difficult to feel sorry for these banks given how poorly managed they are, but to take away their one bright spot might be a bit harsh. still, as you say, if it turns out to be a bad policy, they will probably scrap it in the course of time, but then governments (whether democracies or not) have a nasty habit of not fixing problems they've caused themselves.
Rizalist, welcome to these pages. I hope you find food for thought and intellectually stimulating sparring partners here! Your trip to China in 1971 must have been quite an eye-opener. I have heard the intellectual property argument before and can sympathize with it, but I do think that China needs to start thinking about a timetable now about when it will actually start enforcing the statutes on its books properly. But then again, that would go for a host of other issues (toxic spills, etc).
10% spread is not too bad.
e.g. considering the LIBOR yield for USD is clsoe to 5% now, that would make the APR 15%. while many US credit card has APR from 16-20%
this does not hurt the banks, since they do not have much business in credit cards anyway. it just curbs the growth of credit card market (and has an impact on scale economy).
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i think the difference between Taiwan, and, e.g., US, about this issue is perhaps a result of how corporate lobbying is done.
in US, the bank would lobby for its interests.
in Taiwan, such activities is immature, and business 'lobbying' often turn out to be "black gold" corruption.
this is just something they need to learn on its way of building a democratic civil society.
there are a lot of faults in th US lobbying system as well. e.g. halliburton and iraq.
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yes, there are quite a number of things in Taiwan's politic that defy logic. but i wouldn't be too harsh on this particular one, since there is certain logic to it.
let's compare this to HK's law of prohibiting loan shark by a ceiling of 40% p.a. in consumer lending interests, you can probably see some logic in the 10% spread.
Hi Sun Bin, due to Taiwan's own interest rates (at 2% for savings) the APR would be 12%. But your point is well taken that this is hardly draconian.
Overall, I agree with your belief that the democratic system will come up with reasonable solutions in the long run (with the exception of Medicare and Social Security, which extend beyond the tiem horizon of any politician). And certainly the Hong Kong loan shark industry chills the blood! (Having known examples of this personally, it is a cold, craven business.)
I think the really interesting point was the argument between the businessman and the writer of the OP. The banking issue is just a symptom of Taiwan's underlying banking problems -- there are way too many banks, they are incredibly inefficient, the credit information system is still undeveloped, the banks do not support new business formation very well, and the banks are subsidized by various laws and business practices, etc. Credit cards may be an important source of profitability, but only because banks abuse them like crazy. For example, one of my students recently had her mother steal her ID and then apply for five different credit cards in the girl's name, and promptly maxed them all out, leaving the daughter with the debt. The banks could not have checked the ID very closely -- Mom and daughter do not resemble each other, and if the credit information systems were more developed, she would have been red-flagged (Mom also ran the factory she owned into the ground, said factory also being in daughter's name). Cases like this are insanely common.
The credit card limit is actually a very common solution to a common problem in local society: there's no civil society, and cheating is rampant, so rules, instead of clarifying and guiding right action, set up restrictions to place limits on the amount of damage that can be done through wrong action. Another such solution: because theft from bank accounts through fraud is so common, there is now a limit on how much can be transferred in a single transaction between accounts. The limit is absurdly low, but then the cheating is absurdly high.
Chinese do not seem to view democracy as a thing worth having in itself, but instead see it as a means to an end, generally high economic growth or more $$ or something (not quite clear sometimes on just where the dissatisfaction lies). Despite growing up in authority-centered social systems, most of the Taiwanese and Chinese I have met simply don't get authoritarianism, which seems more or less the normal order of things and is generally unquestioned, its values being incorporated unconsidered into their personal views of the world. TEACHER: Give me an example of how you showed leadership, Lisa. STUDENT: I gave orders, didn't I? Lots of locals here in Taiwan tell me there was less crime under the KMT, even though they know, if you ask them, that the KMT's crime stats were the utmost bullshit. They don't seem to realize that the lower levels of reality management in a democratic polity means that the government inevitably looks less competent than it really is, by comparison with the previous KMT-run nightmare of inefficiency (as China is showing, 8% annual growth covers a multitude of sins). I think another issue is that there is a cultural preference for criticism (note: not critique) among the Chinese and democracy permits them to give vent to that. Further, there isn't any ideology of democracy that locals are wedded to, and thus, democracy has few defenders locally. I expect all this to change over time provided the KMT doesn't come to power.
i think we do not have much disgreement here. so this is just some minor info.
1. i do not know how they came up with a 10% spread, sounds arbitrary as a round number. -- perhaps more professional input are needed in Taiwan politics, but hopefully this would improve soon. and all the political parties are improving. (e.g. a lot less fighting in parliament today than 3 or 10 years ago)
2. i think the absolute number (12% or 19%) is not important, the spread is important, because that is the gross risk premium of the banks. i was using the US example to show that 10% may well be an educated guess. (in US the lowest APR I have seen was around 14%)
3. not to be ignored is there is the 2-3% fees charged by the credit card companies, which is good profit already for those who do not default.
however, APR, which only applies to the late payers, is the most profitable segment.
paradoxically, a ceiling in APR would significantly boost the competitiveness of foreign banks, which are much better in credit risk assessment and are able to identify the bad consumers.
For months and years now, we have all speculated on the incomprehensibility of Koizumi's continued visits to the Yasukuni War Shrine. He does it for domestic political reasons, we are told. And often the conversation ends there, or is resumed on some aspect of Japan's World War II past.
That is, of course, legitimate; Japan does have an historic legacy to which it has never fully faced up to, and that ignorance (whether feigned or genuine) is naturally offensive to its neighbors and is serving as a very effective vehicle for China to adopt the mantle of regional leadership in East Asia.
But as staggered as I have been by the baldness of the shrine visits from an international relations perspective, I have striven to understand the domestic pressure for Koizumi to do so. This article, and others I have read, seem to be coalescing into a pattern in my mind. It is not overly profound, and I apologise to those whom have realized this long ago. But it seems clear that the reason Japan has a desire to hearken back to its militaristic roots is precisely because China has grown far stronger in the last ten years than it has been at any time in the last 150. So if China's rise is prompting ever more hardline positions in the Japanese psyche towards its massive neighbor, and converting more of the population to the wisdom of shrine visits, China will only grow increasingly irritated and spend more on its military might as a result. Are there any 'soft-landing' scenarios for this relationship between Beijing and Tokyo, which appear to be in free fall? If there are, I'd like to hear them.
Koizumi and the Chinese have invested too much in in the shrine visits that neither side can back off. Only face saving way (though not necessarily the mature way) for the Japanese is to wait until Koizumi leaves office, and the next prime minister can just choose not to make shrine visits. There still will be pressure on the next guy to visit, but he has more of an out.
Yes, I fear I share Richard W's dismal view. I think the issue has escalated in national importance on both sides that any backing down on either side is going to be viewed by both domestic audiences and other Asian neighbors as a capitulation and an implicit recognition of primacy in the other.
I think though, Japan has entered a war of words and actions that it cannot possibly win, especially with the lion's share of sympathy in the region going to China.
When I look at the issue, I think the answer is simple. China is developing at a great rate -- and this is good, the years of The West vs. The Rest need to come to an end and the World needs to become a 1st World, um, World. China is becoming an economic power, a military power, and even a space power.
The problem, is China isn't developing to be something good. The government is still oppressing it's people, even killing them as we saw just a few days ago.
Where is China getting all these money to build a space program and a huge military? They certainly aren't getting it from selling 1.25 shoes to Wall-mart alone.
Last year, Japan gave $8.9 Billion USD to China in aid. That amount is down 30% since 1997 and has gone down for 4 years in a row.
Cut it, cut it all. Problem solved. Place sanctions on China who no longer even pretends to be a good country, it openly admits to opening fire and killing 6 protesters. Another economically strong country is a very welcome thing in this world, but we don't need another America getting whatever it wants just by throwing a hissy-fit and then invading.
The world told America 'no' on Iraq, America invaded anyways. The world is essenctially saying 'no' to China (and Korea) on Yasukuni (since 1991 leaders from Chili, Sri Lanka, Finland, Lithuania, Tibet, Azerbaijan, Peru and others have visited Yasukuni, not just leaders from Japan; while most countries leaders aren't visiting Yasukuni, they aren't complaining about it either) does anyone think China wont attack? 3-4 times a year Chinese warships (subs) cross into Japanese waters. Remember a few years ago when Chinese fighter-planes slammed into an American spy plane over international waters?
What do people in Hong Kong think about this issue? My friends from China tell me that although the educational system teaches the Japanese are little devils and are beyond human they're so evil, they also tell me that England is taught to be the greatest enemy of China in history. The impression I get from the few people I've met from Hong Kong is that the people of Hong Kong are too preoccupied with their current oppressors to worry about a previous oppressor from 60+ years ago.
However, a substantial number of them are quite willing to believe the lies from China's right-wing revisionists.
The shrine and the history-books are just a convenient excuse for the current upwelling of Japan-hate. It's always easier to stir up pointless xenophobia than it is to put your own house in order.
Just ask George W.
Posted by Argleblaster at December 11, 2005 11:26 PM
Yes, I do agree with Sun Bin that the sentiment in Hong Kong is on whole totally against Japan. I know few Asian countries that were once occupied by Japan (with perhaps the exception of Taiwan) that harbour any feelings in aggregate of warm friendship against Japan.
I visited the Yasukuni shrine myself, but that did not mean I was paying homage to its dead inhabitants. Rather I motivated by curiosity. I found it a very unapologetic depiction of Japan's role in the War, with a Zero poised for machine-gunning something or other, and a locomotive from the Burma Railroad. The nationalistic Rising Sun flags on sale there clearly demonstrate a lack of contrition on the part of the Japanese, or at least the shrine-visiting segment of the population, for their wartime atrocities.
Yes China, has many issues to face up to as well. But I think Chinese nationalism has less to answer for in an international context than Japan. Chinese atrocities over the last decades, for good or ill, have been perpetrated on its own citizens.
Before I begin, let me preface this rant by pointing out that although I have categorized this post under "Hong Kong people", I only refer to roaches here from a societal standpoint.
I read this article today about how two brothers running a Chinese restaurant called the Sea Palace in Somerset (in the UK) were actually fined 20,000 pounds(!) by the authorities. A roach apparently popped out, quite chipper and unhurt, from one unfortunate lady's king prawn dish. Clearly a zero tolerance policy.
Contrast this with the experience of my wife, when on lunch break at Pacific Place in Hong Kong, dining at the ZEN Cantonese restaurant. She has a roach phobia, let me say in advance. So imagine how distressed she must have become when she felt something odd crawling up her pant leg. She put a hand on the offending motion, and discovered to her horror that it felt winged and had six legs and mandibles.
She called sharply for attention from a waitress. She could not do much physically, however, other than trap the offending insect between the material of her pants and her bare skin. A waitress eventually ambled up, advised her to try to 'flush' it out, and when she was able to collect herself enough to do that (with some even more alarming misdirections) the waitress trapped it with a bowl and escorted it away.
Rather than offering her a free meal, however, they just gave an offhand apology and explained that the fumigator had been that day, causing some restlessness in the roaches' ranks.
I thought pesticide did more than that...but perhaps resturanteurs in the city have historically been more inured to pests. I don't normally cross-post, but you'll find a history of small nasties in Hong Kong here. To be fair, the incident I describe was a couple of years ago, so maybe ZEN's gotten that under control...
Well, it's been a few days since my last post, so I thought I'd weigh in with a rather topical article I read about SMS monitoring in China in the International Herald Tribune. Apparently surveillance of China's text messages will be stepped up in the wake of increasing amounts of criminal or otherwise illegal messages sent to local consumers' phones. 107,000 illegal SMSs have been found out this year, and 9,700 accounts have been shut down. 44% of the messages were banking scams (I'll be impressed if the standard Nigerian dictator letter can be composed in an SMS), with the others ads for prostitutes, porn or illegal lotteries.
The government is also considering a filtration system that would allow the government to quickly access messages with "false political rumors" or "reactionary remarks" (would that be orthodox Marxist-Leninist ideology?).
But ultimately a human being is still going to have to read suspect messages, particularly from known or suspected dissidents. And here's a hint about why the title to this post is what it is - the number of text messages sent in 2004 (when 20% less accounts were probably in existence?)? 217.8 BILLION. And no, that is not some mistake, some Chinese mislabeling of 'wan' as 'million'.
How long does it take you to read a text message? How about a hundred of 'em?
I will be travelling to the land of the automatic toilet warmer and bidet until Friday and will likely be out of blogging range. But fear not, I've got some activities to keep you occupied:
1. The forums are going strong. Take a look, start a topic and spark a controversy of your own.
2. I've been made a finalist of the Weblog Awards Best Asian Blog category. It is a very high calibre field and with only one exception I would feel comfotable voting for any of the finalists. But most importantly, use this opportunity to explore other blogs you may not typically read. Then even more importantly, vote for me! Once a day, every day.
Thank you already to fellow finalist Mr Miyagi, New Blog finalist Riding Sun, Top 1751-2500 finalist ZenPundit, top 1001-1750 finalist The Glittering Eye and others for their endorsements. You should vote for each of them in their respective categories, and naturally vote for Coming Anarchy for Best Blog Design.
These awards don't do much more than stroke the blogger's ego in a high-school style popularity contest; they are a desperate attempt to garner recognition and respect of peers for the insecure, self-doubting, paranoid types that run blogs. Exactly like the Oscars. So please vote for me - the alternative is therapy.
"These awards don't do much more than stroke the blogger's ego in a high-school style popularity contest"
Except that in high school, I learned that I wasn't as popular as the cool kids. With the Weblog Awards, I'm learning that I'm not as popular as a bunch of other nerds.
Posted by Gaijin Biker at December 6, 2005 11:00 AM
Congratulations on making the finals, Simon. I have cast my vote, and only the written offer of a pint would unseal my lips as to who the lucky beneficiary might be, or influence any future vote I might cast.
It is a pity, though, that these awards always become a competition of whose supporters are most extreme in commandeering enough different PCs to vote from. I could be wrong - it happened once before - but I do not think that XiaXue is really 20 times as good as Hemlock. Better tits, maybe.
This won't get the publicity it should. The chairman of the China Banking Regulatory Commission says interest rate reform must come before currency reform in China. Liu Mingkang proceeds to give American politicians a lesson they should pay heed to but won't:
Liu said further reforms to the country's interest rate system would help companies better gauge currency risks, which would be crucial for introducing greater currency flexibility. "If you haven't got the full liberalization in interest rates, then you cannot give a pricing system for forwards and futures to hedge your foreign exchange risk," he said.
Liberalising China's currency is but one part of a much broader problem - that of financial market and capital account reform. Without delving too deeply into macroeconomic jargon, financial markets are linked. Interest rates are the price of money, while foreign exchange rates can be thought of the mechanism between which different countries equalise their supply and demand for that money (or goods, it's the same thing). Liberalising one without the other could prove disasterous. Likewise, liberalising too quickly, in a "big bang" approach, would probably collapse China's banking system and seize up the entire economy. And if China liberalised its capital account (ie allowed citizens to freely convert yuan for foreign currency) the renminbi could depreciate rather than appreciate when floated.
Is this what American politicians really want?
The Chinese are slowly taking the necessary steps to liberalise their financial markets. It could be quicker, but when you are transitioning the world's fourth biggest economy from a quasi-central planning system to something approximating an open market system, taking your time is not necessarily a bad thing.
This post is reposted at the top as it is updated. Please scroll down for other posts.
You've got to hand it to the organisers, a march in a crisp, clear and sunny winter's afternoon sure beats marching in the middle of the summer heat. With the Government and tycoons doing almost everything in their power to make people turn up for today's march (in spite of themselves), it should be a big one. The Don's real test will come in the days ahead - how will he react? Will he try and dismiss another display of people voting with their feet, or accept that even appointed governments sometimes need to listen to the people to retain legitimacy? Will he be able to prevent frothing at the mouth amongst pro-Beijingers and Beijing? And will everyone be home in time for tea?
Update 22:10
The most interesting part of the march so far is watching the media's coverage of it. In the comments Dave has told us the police estimate 40,000, which we can use as a minimum. ESWN has the "scorecard" for what each threshold crowd figure means for the democracy debate.
The score so far:
Xinhua naturally calls it thousands and quotes the local commisar: Some bystanders told press that they support the government's constitutional development proposals and held that the most important thing for Hong Kong now is to maintain stability and keep economic growth. There's always "Beauties and their movie posters" if all this marching gets too much.
The BBC vaguely refers to tens of thousands of marchers and was largely pre-written, and includes The BBC's Chris Hogg in Hong Kong said the march appeared to be much larger than many had predicted, with many ordinary citizens and their families taking part. Thank God I don't have to pay the licence fee.
Reuters has decided tens of thousands means 60,000.
The Financial Times ups the ante, saying hundreds of thousands and/or 250,000 marched.
ESWN is also counting the crowds via other sources. Inevitably a number will be reached and that will become the consensus. Who decides that number? The people counting on the day? No. The people who were marching? No. The papers and media spread across the world who will keep the story going for a couple of news cycles? You got it. My money is on 100,000 being the eventual number, because that makes it newsworthy enough for international reporters to push it with their editors for a while and it suits the democrats. Bear in mind this may or may not have been the real number. The point of the numbers game is all about one thing: will it be enough to force the government to ammend its constitutional reform package?
My biggest question is simple. How can crowd estimates vary from "thousands" to 250,000? Is it that easy to make that many people appear and disappear? Even for China that's a lot. Houdini would be impressed.
Update 12/5 09:04
Crowd inflation is already creeping in. The cops have upped the number to 63,000, the organisers are pushing 250,000. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and here's the reality: it doesn't matter. Crowd numbers are a distraction. Whatever the true number, a significant number of people spent their Sunday afternoon saying "we're mad as hell and want to vote." So far the best Donald Tsang can say is "I've got the message" and he will "perfect" his package, but will his deeds match his words? Now The Don has to do something. Many think he has ruled out a timetable for universal suffrage, but in fact that's not the case:
"I am 60 years of age. I certainly want to see universal suffrage taking place in Hong Kong in my time. My feeling and my wish is the same as most other people participating in the rally today."
We've got crowd inflation, but timetable deflation!
Update 12/6
The Don is now under pressure on his reform package. His problem is simple: the democratic camp are not going to accept a sop on reducing the role of appointed district councillors, but Beijing aren't going to accept any kind of timetable towards universal suffrage. How is he going to fudge it? That's why he's the Chief. There is probably a way out: set a timetable for a timetable. No charge for the advice, Donald.
It was big! I was expecting only 10,000 on the outside, but at least 40,000 people turned up. And those numbers are from police estimates, which have historically been (surprise, surprise) on the low side.
My favorite comment was from Ma Lik who claimed that the family activities day in Ma On Shan was not a boondoggle trying to divert people away from the march!
Before leaving the march at Cheung Kong at around 7pm to catch a ferry, I had independently said it was 200 to 250 thousand people.
If that was 40 or 63 thousand, I'm a monkey's uncle. Though I'm sure there will be at least one blogger who will contend that I and the organisers are in fact just that.
There will be a standard of truth that will emerge in a day or two: Robert Chung's HKU-POP count/survey.
First, his methodology was adopted by the Civil Human Rights Front at the 7/1 march. So there should not be any question whether this is the right or wrong way of doing it.
Second, his personal interests are simple. On one hand, there is this particular march whose outcome that everybody has declared beforehand is immaterial. On the other hand, he has to lay his entire career and legacy on the line. Will he fudge the numbers? Fat chance.
So just wait for it. Somebody is going to be found to be lying big time because 63,000 vs. 250,000+ is not even remotely close. I don't have a clue who's lying but I look forward to finding out.
Quite correct about Dr. Chung.
I'm expect that there will be others from other HKU departments, CUHK, HK Polytech, etc, like on July 1, 2004.
They can't all be dupes, can they? I mean, they must all have their careers on the line if they did. And this is a good and easy way of consolidating one's credentials.
if dr. chung is doing a telephone survey, there may be concerns about coverage, response rates, respondent selection, language issues and all that.
the basic questin is this: does the staff know how to count the number of people who pass through a certain point in a designated minute? could they be wrong by a factor of 4? No. HKU POP will be producing minute-by-minute counts at the observation points. I don't think anything can go wrong by that order of magnitude.
Yes it certainly does seem as though it was much higher than 40,000 or even 69,000, which was the revised police estimate. The problem with the police methodology is that what they do is pick one specific spot, and try to count how many people go through it over the course of the day. Unfortunately, that discounts many people that may sometimes find an alternative route, and if crowds movement over a set period of time changes through that particular point then their count is thrown off. It was a big turnout, no doubt.
The Donald has of course denied that this will change anything, saying that there was no room for maneuver.
What it must show, both to him and Beijing, however, is how fragile his mandate or claim to legitimacy is, when so few people had a say in his election. A wider franchise means greater legitimacy - full stop. It may also mean that Hong Kong will sometimes come up with decisions that China will not like - but perhaps that is a better outcome than China having to reinterpret the Basic Law every few years and completely undermining Hong Kong's rule of law in the process.
The Don has indicated he has 'got the message' but does that mean Beijing has? HK is no more closer to universal suffrage than it was on Saturday...because it is all up to Beijing. The have told The Don what the package will look like and what the end result will be...the only thing he can do is tweak the logistics of it...the finished product remains the same.
Same comment I posted to Glutter, but seems relevant here:
Clearly 63,000 is too low, since Victoria Park was packed to capacity, and well known to hold 80,000. My estimate, as posted here:
http://www.chattergarden.com/node/889
puts it at between 100,000 and 150,000. This was taken on Causeway Road near the library.
I think the HKU estimate last year July was fairly accurate and rigorous, while that of the organizer obviously flawed.
I tend to agree with the estimates from the academics.
however, if the organizer is founded to be significantly wrong. then i have questions, what is the big deal between 63 and 250? it doesn't really change a lot about the message. why is there such a need to exaggerate?
I think from July 1 March to December 4 March, 89.64% of marchers don't care who the organiser is. They are surely inexperienced and not always credible.
But the message from the marchers, I think, is quite clear.
Capacity of Hong Kong Stadium is roughly 40,000. That would put the 63,000 estimate of the police in the same ballpark as the Rugby 7s crowd.
You're gonna tell me that yesterday's crowd stretched from CGO to Victoria Park with full lanes covered is just your run of the mill Rugby 7s crowd? yeah, right.
this is a pretty useless exercise. but well, for the heck of it, let's talk about it.
andres lih seems to provide a pretty good reasoning. although the number may be slightly higher if one counts those who joined in the middle of the path.
tom, how did you arrive at 200-250k? care to explain your reasoning?
Who cares about the numbers although I like the point made above about the Rugby Sevens. It took a lot longer to move the crowd than it takes to clear Hong Kong Stadium.
As I said in my latest post the important thing is that this turn out was big and that with the difference in the economic situation compared to the original big march there is no confusing this public statement with general dissatisfaction with the government.
Tihs march was a simple call for universal sufferage. Donald Tsang says he will create a roadmap for democracy in his second term (if he gets one). That is rubbish. Any politician could come up with roadmap in two hours.
No offense to Andres, he might have picked the worst spot to count numbers. I remember that area as being a horrible bottleneck and his comments about periods of "breakouts" confirms this.
But look at the photos of the head of the march or any other portion of the march and you don't see the 10-15/second that Andres is reporting.
Check the TVB footage they took from the tram rolling through Wan Chai and you'll see that there aren't gaps in the march flow that would be necessary to get that density at the front of the march and only having 10-15/sec at Andres' checkpoint.
Could be that because of the bottleneck people skipped a block and went around Andres' checkpoint. Could be that people didn't make it down to Victoria Park and joined at Commercial Books or Sogo and were never counted at Andres' checkpoint.
But as a flow density problem, Andres' numbers would lead to much lighter density of marchers further up the road than what is displayed in any of the photos.
that is how you arrived at 200-250k? that is quite qualitative for a number range.
about andrew's number. let me clarify, it does not matter which spot you pick. the answer should be the same (assuming those who entered or left in the middle is small, i think about 10% according to some estimate in ESWN's links). everybody who completes the march pass through all spots.
as for aerial photoshot, ESWN has one source that counted the a snapshot and concluded the number was 92k. i think that is pretty accurate and consistent with Andrew's.
i believe the organizer has some calculation but i am curious how it differ from others. i suppose it is alright to exaggerate within the margin of error by taking the top of the range, but not further.
anyway, i agree with pretty much all fragrant-harbour said.
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btw, i do not understand why the police will have any incentive to under-estimate the number. because the higher the turn out is, the more resources they can claim from the government. and a better job they can report in the performance evaluation.
it is possible that there is top-down order to tweak to the lower range, but then if they would announce their methodology and let more junior staff do the data collection it would be credible.
eswn has now a list from the academics.
http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200512brief.htm#020
but i thought the statistics and mathematics needed have all been taught in high school. but they really brought in acturialist and professors to do this.
the chinese saying call it
"killing a chick with an ox-knife"
杀鸡不用牛刀
presumably ox knives are too big for chicken.
yes, i think the disney watchers are good enough for this job. :)
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talking about professors in HK, a couple years ago apple daily asked a HKU physics professor to answer the question given to applicants in an interview with Beijing and Tsinghua University. He totally flunked it but the appledaily reported believed him. it was a huge embarassment.
example: why is the hole of the sewage lid a circle? the professor went on to talk a lot of irrelevant BS i couldn't remember.
I noted that some Chinese marchers (speaking other Chinese dialects) are not Hong Kongers. They got quite excited. Mainlanders could also watch the Cable TV news on KCR train.
Out of the mouth of babes and all that...from The Standard article on claims HK Immigration is trying to keep anti-WTO activists out:
A senior government official said he believes the NGOs will increasingly resort to tactics of lying about harassment from police and issuing allegations of abuse at the hands of government officials for the sake of publicity.
"You're not going to get your name in the paper if you act like a flower- child," he said.
Sadly, he's right. Hong Kong is the right place to hold the WTO meeting - a demonstration of all the benefits of free trade and open markets. If these anti-WTO activists could take off their Reeboks and Levis for just one second they'd see that. But they're professional rabble. Unfortunately they are likely to get what they want.
Slowly forming on the horizon is the next boondoggle, the HK-Zuhai-Macau "gamblers expressway". The latest estimate is the 29 kilometre bridge is going to cost more than HK$50 billion to construct, about $30 billion more than first thought. That's one hell of a jump in estimates. And you thought getting the home renovation quote was tricky. Only Hopewell's Gordon Wu has jumped at the chance to construct this bridge. That seems strange: under the Build-Operate-Transfer (BOT) model, the builder of the bridge is able to collect tolls for a set period of time before hadning it over to the government. This typically means the operator can charge whatever they like in order to achieve their desired return on investment. The contracts are typically iron-clad and often governments are forced into making additional concessions to the operators.
For example, both the Eastern and Western harbour tunnels were built under this model. There was a massive hue and cry when tolls were raised at the Eastern Tunnel, but there isn't anything the Government can do about it. Absurdly the cheapest cross-harbour tunnel is the government owned Central tunnel, which is the most convenient geographically. But due to political pressure, the government keeps tolls at the Central tunnel artificially low, resulting in traffic chaos and huge jams at all hours (try getting through at 1am on a Saturday) while the other two tunnels are deserted.
BOT seems a great way for governments to get the private sector to build infrastructure at little or no cost to the public purse. But it is not the same a private sector road. For the gamblers' expressway the SAR government estimates traffic volumes could reach as high as 80,000 vehicles a day. I'm preapred to wager that bridge will never see that volume of traffic until China turns into a liberal democracy. Sir Gordon will get his 10% (or whatever the guaranteed return is) plus the kudos and connections with the HK, Macau and Guandong governments.
a few questions, since i haven't followed this lately.
1. his 10% requires enough traffic, i suppose? if everyone continues to go by boats there is no way he can get his 10%, even by contract?
2. the bidding, do developers bid by the return % as well?
3. as i recall, in Wu's first proposal he talked abouta container terminal right in a bundled cross-subsidized deal (which attracted opposition from Canning Fok/Li KS). what is the new status?
1. Yes, so using the simple formula traffic x toll = revenue, if traffic is too low he jacks up tolls to compensate. While this reduces traffic, typically the toll increase more than outweighs the drop in traffic.
2. Depends how the government offers the tender. Usually it's judged on several criteria, one of which will be the required return.
3. Don't know, but that would be an interesting twist. It would certainly make the road more viable.
Once a year David Webb takes a break from his corporate and political governance activities and shares with the world his Christmas stock pick. He only chooses one, and inevitably the picks have given incredible returns. This time around he has recommended Fujikon. Below the fold is the share price chart of Fujikon. On Friday it closed at $1.40, before the report, today it is trading at $1.57. That's a 12% jump, or a rise in HK$63 million in the market capitalisation in the stock. You'll also notice on the graph below a marked increase in trading volume late last week - was that Mr. Webb's purchases or could word have leaked?
More importantly, for all of you students of finance, please explain to me how the efficient markets theory works again? Nothing has materially changed in this stock, except a solo operator put out an independent piece of research. He didn't discover anything new, or any non-public information.
There's nothing in the rise of Fujikon that is inconsistent with the Efficient Market Hypothesis. The EMF asserts that a securities price reflects all relevant publicly available information.
The fact that Webb recommended the stock was added to the suddenly added to the mix of publiclay available information and the the price of Fujikon shares rose.
Additional public information = different stock price.
Question: Why should Webb's recomendation cause the price to increase in an efficient market?
Answer: Because a large number of people reading Webb's advice don't believe in / understand the EFM and will run out to follow Webb's advice and buy the stock (or, if already holding it be less inclined to sell). This creates buyside pressure which, applying the law of supply and demand, causes the share price to rise.
Nor is the pre-release rise in Fujikon inconsistent with the EFM. As Prof. showed, that insiders profit from trading on the EFM applies to public information only. Insiders are nevertheless able to profit from inside information because that information is not already incorporated into prices. Were that not the case there would have been no need to send Ivan Boesky to jail.
First things last - I was more pointing out the big jump in trading volume last Thursday and Friday in this stock compared to its recent average. This is a common indicator that something is "going on". That ties in with your "insider" theory. But in this case Webb is independent of the company insiders. As I said in the post proper, it could have been Webb's own purchases.
You are right that "new" information came into the market - that Webb was recommending shares in this company. But none of the company's fundamentals have changed today from Friday. Webb only compiled a report and recommendation based on already publicly available information. So Webb recycled old information - is that "new" enough for the theory? I would have thought not.
But as you know, "information" is not limited to information about fundimentals. Webb's recommendation itself became relevant information. Some people will but the stock based upon Webb's recommendation. The same sort of thing happens whenever word gets out that Warren Buffet is buying a certain stock. The fact of Buffet's purchase, which has nothing to do with a change in fundimentals, is nevertheless added to the sum of available nformation, causing a price rise.
Other folks will buy the stock because they know people in the first group above will will be buying based upon Webb's recommendation, thereby causing a rise. But again, Webb's recommendation is the additional relevant information that led to the price rise. The fact that 'insiders' apparently bought the stock in advance and in anticipation of Webb's recommendation is evidence of this effect.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big believer in the EFM. I've made way too much money selling fad stocks short to believe that prices reflect all relevant informaion according to its proper weight. The internet bubble and the SARS outbreak are tow recent examples that demonstrate known information can be overweighted or overdiscounted by the markets.
I completely share your appreciation of the irony that HK's corporate governance guru has apparently caused a bout of insider trading.
About a month ago I noted a report that found China's estimated HIV population may be signficantly lower than the previously estimated 840,000. Now the SCMP reports on the problems officials are having with releasing that number:
Authorities are reportedly in a bind over how to announce a new and supposedly more accurate HIV estimate that is significantly lower than previous figures...Senior officials said the assessment was now being verified by the World Health Organisation and UNAids experts. However, UNAids said it was waiting for Chinese officials to finalise the assessment...
A government source also said the new assessment was significantly lower than the 2003 estimate of 840,000 HIV carriers. Although the final figure may change at the last minute, the new estimate could be up to 20 per cent lower than the original figure...
Government officials are reportedly concerned that the public would doubt the credibility of a new estimate, and question whether the difference was the result of patients dying from Aids over the years, or whether the government was playing down the gravity of the situation. Another worry is whether a lower-than-expected prevalence would dampen the enthusiasm of the central government and international agencies for injecting resources into Aids prevention and treatment.
It's great news, but a problem of the government's own making. Events as recent as last week in Harbin show the Chinese government is not known for its openness and reliability when it comes to reporting. Getting international, independent groups to verify the data is a good first step. Even if the number comes out 20% lower, however, there is still plenty to worry about. Good statistical measurement is only the first step in dealing with disease outbreaks. Even with 600,000 people infected, the major worry is the potential is further infections.
Imagethief has a knowning and thoughtful reflection on the Singaporean hanging of an Australian and executions as public communication. The exact same applies to China.
The Article 45 Concern Group, a pro-democracy bunch of barristers, are turning themselves into a political party that "aspires to become Hong Kong's ruling party". What's the term for being ruled being a bunch of lawyers instead of civil servants? Is that an improvement?
Even more worryingly, those that deal with barristers on a daily basis are wholly unimpressed with them. For the third time in three months, the Court of Appeal is pissed off with slipshod lawyers appearing before them. If they can't get their briefs right how can they expect to rule the city?
So kids, if you're casting about for a profession, I can heartily recommend journalism. If you're lucky, you can follow Doug Crets and spend two days "reporting" from Laguna.
Very nice, very nice...! A little scandal for the parents.
Reminds me of the story of how the Diocesan Girls' School, which was originally founded for illegitimate Eurasian girls, ended up becoming a finishing school for exotic-looking, English-speaking mistresses of wealthy merchants. Of course it was shut down and has since become one of the premier girls' schools in Hong Kong. Not that I am alluding to anything...
Do you not think that you are being a little unfair on the four legislators. As far as I can see, your only criticism of them is not what they have done in public office, but the fact that they are lawyers. If you examine the performance of Margeret Ng in Legco, you will see her record is exemplary.
If every one of our Legislators put in the time and effort that Margeret has done over the years, people would look at Legco with far more respect and probably would be more active in fighting for democracy.
Essentially, the point I'm trying to make is, there are enough idiots in Legco to slag off, without the need to criticize and belittle the ones that actually are trying to do some good. At the very least, their agenda is a proper and legitimate one which is seeking to advance Hong Kong rather than lining their own pockets and further the interests of their own particular pressure group
I must second that. Your linking two separate stories this way is, because they appeared an inch apart on the Standard web site and both contain the word barrister is, frankly, misleading.
If they were the same story then you would not need two links.
Your linking two separate stories this way, because they appeared an inch apart on the Standard web site and both contain the word barrister, is, frankly, misleading.
John, you are absolutely right. I'm making a cheap lawyer joke and tieing together two otherwise unrelated stories in search of a vague point and amusing cheap shot.
You commie bastard. Soon you'll be calling for a competiton law in Hong Kong. You think Li Ka Shing has nothing better to do than sell you groceries? Superman's time doesn't come cheap. Do you have any idea how much more he could be making in collusive property boondoggles if he wasn't distracted by selling food to your sorry ass?
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Hong Kongers were outraged last night when their normally woeful TV viewing was interupted by a 5 minute pleading from Donald Tsang, Beijing's cheerleader in chief in Hong Kong, to stay at home on Sunday and to pass his electoral reforms. There was much debate whether these 5 minutes counted against the compulsory API quota for the night. And did The Don thank George W. for the idea?
A senior Tsang aide said that if the broadcast turned out to be popular with the public, it might turn out to be a regular part of Tsang's political repertory.
"We borrowed the idea from the president of the United States who appealed to the country on TV when he announced the US military invasion of Iraq," the aide said.
There is a certain irony in comparing Hong Kong's struggle for democracy with the American invasion in Iraq and Iraqi democracy. Obviously this public servant has had an irony by-pass.
The biggest question was whether this plea was an own goal or a canny move by The Don to head off the expected large turn-out for Sunday's democracy march? Has The Don blundered on the one thing Beijing trusted he would sort out? Only time will tell.
As a first test of political skill, this is a big one. The Don must have a contingency plan. Ideally he would firm up his previous pledge to announce a timetable for universal suffrage during his second term, after 2007. In other words, set a timetable for a timetable. The democrats must then be prepared to accept that offer and hold him to it. Beijing has to sit back and shut up about it, trusting their man in Hong Kong to do right by both them and the people he supposedly represents. It's all long odds. But the alternative is worse - because at this stage there is none.
Full text of Tsang's speech below the jump.
Fellow Hong Kong citizens, as far as I can remember, former governors or the former chief executive had rarely spoken directly to the community on television about constitutional development issues. I have chosen to do so tonight because democratic development in Hong Kong will soon enter a defining stage in December. Will we be able to stride ahead? Or will we be left marching on the spot, going nowhere? The Legislative Council will have to make a decision in three weeks' time. At this crucial juncture, I feel that I must speak to you personally about my thoughts.
Our proposed constitutional development package is a democratic package. It can enable Hong Kong to take a big step forward along the road to universal suffrage. It significantly enhances the democratic element of the method for selecting the chief executive by doubling the size of the Election Committee from 800 to 1,600. All the 400 District Council members directly elected by more than 3 million registered voters will be included in the Election Committee. For the 2008 Legco, the number of seats will increase by 10. Five will be returned through direct elections in the geographical constituencies. The other five will be elected from among the district councillors, and will likewise have an electorate base of 3 million voters.
Over the past few weeks, I have thought long and hard about whether we could develop a better and more feasible package. We all know that there are different views in Hong Kong about the pace of achieving universal suffrage. While some consider that the current pace of constitutional development as proposed in the package is not quick enough and would want to have universal suffrage for the chief executive and Legco elections as soon as possible, others are concerned that by moving too fast we may undermine the merits of the current system, which would impact negatively on balanced participation.
Our proposed package might not be all things to all people, but I believe that, after a long period of public consultation, it has given due regard to the aspirations of different sectors of the community. The proposed package has not come easily. So I personally appeal to you all: do not let the hard work and efforts of the past two years be wasted. I really cannot see any other option that can better suit Hong Kong's current circumstances, and be acceptable to all interested parties.
We are now facing a real danger of our democratic development coming to a halt. Some people insist that the government should propose a timetable for universal suffrage right now; otherwise, they will not support our reform package. Their stance puzzles me. Why should there be a conflict between supporting the government proposals - which advance democracy in Hong Kong - and wanting a road map and timetable for universal suffrage? How can the demands for a road map and timetable be served by rejecting the government proposals? What good will this do to democratic development in Hong Kong? Will this approach benefit the people of Hong Kong? Indeed, is this the wish of Hong Kong people?
Various opinion polls indicate that most Hong Kong people support our proposals. More importantly, a majority of Hong Kong people feel that the electoral arrangements for 2007 and 2008 should be handled separately from the issue of a timetable for universal suffrage. This underlines the pragmatism of Hong Kong people, who believe that constitutional development should not be hamstrung by the debate over a timetable for universal suffrage. They think we should pass the constitutional development package first so that we can move towards universal suffrage from 2007 and 2008.
To achieve the ultimate goal of universal suffrage, the first step will be for Legco to pass our proposals. As for a road map and timetable, I have pledged to discuss these matters in the Commission on Strategic Development and other channels as soon as possible. We cannot rush the matter; but we will not be playing for time either.
Fellow citizens, we are at a crossroads in our democratic development. If Legco passes our reform package, we will take a big step towards our goal of universal suffrage. With the success gained, there is a greater chance of reaching a consensus on how to achieve universal suffrage.
However, if the package were unfortunately voted down by Legco, then constitutional development for 2007 and 2008 would come to a halt. If this happens, how can we realistically expect to reach a consensus on proposals for the chief executive and Legco elections in 2012 and secure the necessary support from two-thirds of the legislators? Would rejecting our reform package bring us closer to our goal, or make it more distant?
We are one step away from advancing democracy in Hong Kong. I will do my utmost to secure legislators' support for our package. I fully support the move towards universal suffrage in accordance with the Basic Law, and there is also consensus among legislators to move towards that goal. There is no practical difference between us. The only difference is whether or not a timetable for universal suffrage should be linked to the proposals for the 2007 and 2008 elections. I hope that all legislators will cast their votes sensibly, with full regard to the overall interests and wishes of Hong Kong people.
Promoting democratic development is the common wish of the [Hong Kong] government and the Hong Kong people. It is also the established policy of the central government. Let us work together to push forward our constitutional development with a pragmatic attitude. Let's not miss this opportunity before us.
If we choose to mark time rather than stride ahead we will be further away from our goal of universal suffrage, not closer to it.