Mattel is recalling yet another batch of Chinese manufactured toys....but if only they'd asked I've got proof the toys are safe. Recent studies with dogs and Barbie dolls have shown that consisent chewing of Mattel products does NOT lead to any health problems. And if the kids are out there licking their Barbies then perhaps whatever lead leaks into their systems will teach them a lesson. In the good old days a bit of lead was considered a part of any healthy kid's diet.
I think the more interesting story this weekend will be the Chinese-made condoms packaged in packaging that is said to be tearing and being turned away by residents of Washington, DC.
I think when it copmes to kids, better safe than sorry.
It only takes one kid to die or be seriously ill and the whole of Mattell colapses, thousands lose their jobs and not to mention China will lose even more credibility.
As a father i already will look at where things are manufactured.
This is not just toys, it is also tryes and dog food. Better to get it sorted now and have a prsoperous future, than the worst happening.
The Chinese Communist Party does it's very best to limit all news and views on the events of June 4th, 1989. But not teaching history can have its consequences...not merely in the (in)famous Marixsm that it is repeated as farce, but in the law of unintended consequences too. The SCMP (new site, still unlinkable and not even working today) reports:
A young woman unaware of the June 4 Tiananmen crackdown is believed to have let an advertisement saluting the mothers of students killed in and around the central Beijing square make its way into a Chengdu newspaper, highlighting the national collective amnesia about the events of 18 years ago.
To be fair, it's hard to call it "collective amnesia" when the government doesn't let its citizens know where there is to forget.
Two sources with connections to the Chengdu Evening News, which ran the controversial 13 character classified adverstisement on Monday, said the woman, who worked for an advertising company responsible for the newspaper's classified section, was in charge of receiving content from clients.
A man visited the copmany on May 30 and the woman took down the advertisement - which read "Saluting the adamanat Tiananmen Mothers" - from the client without knowledge of the June 4 crackdown, the sources said.
"She called the man back two days later to check what June 4 meant and the man said it was [a date that] a mining disaster took place," one source said. The woman's age was not known but the source said she had just graduate from school.
Now I don't know what they teach in Chinese schools, but there aren't too many mines around Tiananmen square.
Still, the whole story leaves the question as to how Beijing deals with a new generation who know nothing of Tiananmen. Is ignorance always bliss?
Actually, the English translation of the ad is inaccurate. The Chinese version made no mention of "Tiananmen Square Mothers", only of those mothers whose children died in the June 4th incident. 向坚强的64遇难者母亲致敬
Last week I mentioned an anecdote from The Economist which says that firms often use the billboards on the road from Beijing airport to show their boss how well their firms are doing in China. At the time I posed the question whether this was true or just a good yarn (the full article is below the jump)? After emailing with Will I suspect it is the latter...which begs a couple of questions:
1. Why is the article by-lined Hong Kong instead of Beijing?
2. Has the reporter actually been to Beijing to research the article?
3. Has The Economist editors fallen for a different kind of signalling trick - if our journo says it's true and it sounds plausible, it must be true? Do they fact-check these things?
4. As Will asks, aren't their cheaper ways to "trick" the boss than using some of the most expensive advertising space in China?
Anyone else got more on this?
All mouth and no trousers
Mar 29th 2007 | HONG KONG
From The Economist print edition
Are foreign firms as keen on Asia as they claim to be?
THE announcements come in bold headlines. On March 26th Intel trumpeted plans to build a $2.5 billion chip plant in China. This follows deals in various other industries, including pharmaceuticals and aviation. With $6 billion of foreign direct investment pouring into China alone each month, and other Asian countries growing at a feverish pace, it seems that foreign firms are racing to build up their operations.
But are the headlines and the big numbers misleading? The Boston Consulting Group (BCG) analysed several large western firms and found that, although an estimated 34% of the potential market for their goods is in Asia, the region accounted for only 14% of sales, 7% of employees, 5% of assets, 3% of research and development and 2% of their top 200 people. And these disparities are growing larger, not smaller. When most corporate groups see this analysis, they say That's our company, too, notes David Michael of BCG.
Several explanations spring to mind for the discrepancy between perceived opportunities and actual behaviour. Going into new markets is risky; Asia's boom is still young, so big firms lack the hard data they need to commit; and of course there are currency and foreign-ownership restrictions to worry about (China, South Korea, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, India), the threat of expropriation (South Korea, Thailand), subtle legal changes aimed at foreign firms (Japan) and corruption (everywhere).
Staffing is also a problem. For top executives, moving to Asia requires a leap of faith. A senior manager at one global firm says that, with rare exceptions, Asia is a career killerat the end of a successful tenure there is nowhere to return to at head office. Putting locals in charge can result in embattled regional offices without strong links to headquarters, and headquarters without strong local knowledge.
Some bosses think that a lot of travel in Asia signals their commitment to the region, says BCG. Aircraft to China and India are packed with executives trying to inhale whatever it is that produces rapid growth. The trouble with this approach is that in regions where efficient execution is paramount far too much time is spent ensuring that visitors from head office have a successful trip. And as local managers go overboard to display their success, they weaken the case for more resources.
One example has become a well-understood signalling device for who is visiting China: the rental of a huge billboard on the road between Beijing airport and the city to advertise a firm's products. The idea is that a visiting boss will see it on the drive into town and remark on the company's prominence in China. The sign is changed a few days later as the next boss, from another firm, touches down.
China statistics, Chinachem and searching for smut
One of this site's ongoing interests is the lack of reliable statistical data, economic or otherwise, on China. Tim Johnson of McClatchy* points to a FEER article asking have all China scholars been bought? The article in FEER posits that China academics are largely complicit with the CCP in ignoring controversial topics, which Tim Johnson takes issue with. The reality is if you study China you have to get along with the government to get that data, although that data may not be worth much. China's National Bureau of Statistics admits to the problem of dodgy data, largely because those collecting the data are also evaluated on the results. Are we just waiting for those canny researchers who can find alternative ways to measure China? Can China's political system, as it stands, ever really allow for such measurement in a society where control of information remains a principle raison d'etre of the CCP?
Two other articles worth checking out: one on the Chinachem code, asking where did the Wangs' wealth come from, especially post-Teddy's kidnapping? Could it actually be that Nina Wang was a good businesswoman, alebit one with strange taste in hair styles and clothing? Also Justin Mitchell looks at Baidu's launch of a Japanese version of its search engine, and finds China is discovering what the rest of the world has long known: the internet is for p0rn.
* As an aside, why has there been an explosion in the number of China journalists that are now keeping blogs in the past 6 - 12 months? Along with Tim Johnson there's the Telegraph's Richard Spencer, Time magazine's stable, Mary-Anne Toy's from the SMH (although 2 entries a blog does not make) plus likely more that I've missed. They vary in quality but generally add useful voices to the English-speaking China blogosphere. Are they playing catch-up with Roland or are they meant to be "slice of life" pieces that wouldn't make the grade in their papers/magazines? Is everyone now so busy blogging no-one has time to actually read other blogs to find ideas or stories they may not have come across otherwise?
We're thinking of visiting world-famous Lijiang sometime soon, but we might take our time with finding a tour guide. The (very brown these days) SCMP reports:
A 15-year-old Anhui youth who was visiting the world-renowned ancient town of Lijiang, in Yunnan province, was still in serious condition yesterday after sustaining brain damage in an attack on Sunday by his knife-wielding tour guide. The tour guide, identified as Xu Minchao from Jilin's Rime Travel agency, wounded 15 tourists and five city residents in the attack - two of them seriously - but the motive for the violence was unclear.
But in a second article, the motive is already made clear (mind the terrible pun at the start of the article):
Cutthroat competition in the travel industry led to Sunday's attack in Lijiang, according to industry insiders. Lijiang tour guide Li Ge said most tour guides in the city received no salaries or benefits from their employers and relied solely on commissions from shops.
"Normally the tourist shops offer guides good commissions based on the number of tourists the guides bring in," Mr Li said. But he said the commissions had been eroded as agencies took a bigger cut of the shop proceeds and more guides competed for money...Mr Li said Lijiang was a well-known travel destination with few other industries and fights frequently broke out between guides over their share of the commissions...Lu Yuzhen , from GZL International Travel Service, said competition was so tight that a six-day package tour to Lijiang from Guangdong cost just 2,500 yuan.
The same tour trick often happens in Hong Kong, with groups locked into shops and forced to buy shoddy goods at inflated prices. But if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
Tour guides can be tricky to deal with. On our recent trip to Harbin, the clueless Helen was completely flummoxed when we heard her planned itinerary and decided to make some changes. That we were the paying customers didn't seem to be a consideration. Helen eventually came around to our revised plan, but then she had to battle with the driver, who was mightily put out that we were going to be crossing the river not ocne but twice under our revised plan.
So does anyone know of reputable tour guides in Lijiang?
One for the bosses to note next time they visit their China outpost, from this week's Economist:
...Aircraft to China and India are packed with executives trying to inhale whatever it is that produces rapid growth. The trouble with this approach is that in regions where efficient execution is paramount far too much time is spent ensuring that visitors from head office have a successful trip. And as local managers go overboard to display their success, they weaken their case for more resources.
One example has become a well-understood signalling device for who is visiting China: the rental of a huge billboard on the road between Beijing airport and the cuty to advertise a firm's products. The idea is that a visiting boss will see it on the drive into town and remark on the company's prominence in China. The sign is changed a few days later as the next boss, from another firm, touches down.
My question: is this just some "it sounds like it could happen so we'll turn it into fact" kind of anecdote, or does it happen for real? Any Beijing readers who can attest this either way?
Hmm. Far be it from me to argue with the Economist, but it's looked like the same assortment of tatty billboards along the expressway since the day I arrived. Foton trucks, UFIDA software, Airbus, etc. A little more regular refreshment would be a good thing.
James Mann used to be the LA Times Beijing correspondent and has written a book, The China Fantasy. Here's a review of the book via Bloomberg:
This tale crops up in a new book by James Mann, a former Beijing correspondent of the Los Angeles Times who uses it to illustrate the way skewed information warps the views foreigners have of China. The difference, these days, is that the Chinese aren't the only ones doing the skewing, he writes.
In ``The China Fantasy: How Our Leaders Explain Away Chinese Repression,'' Mann points an accusing finger at the most powerful people in U.S., Europe and Asia -- politicians, corporate executives, scholars and diplomats.
These decision makers and opinion formers offer what he terms the Soothing Scenario whenever critics attack China's one- party regime and grim human-rights record: No one should worry, they argue, because increasing trade and investment will do more than speed China's economic transformation; it will also bring dramatic political change.
That, Mann contends, isn't true. ``Day after day, American officials carry out policies based upon premises about China's future that are at best questionable and at worst downright false,'' he says in these crisply written and pugnacious essays...
Still, this book could do with more balance. For instance, Mann omits to mention how authoritarian China has pulled off the unprecedented trick of lifting 300-plus million people out of poverty since 1980, according to United Nations figures. Nor does he offer much advice to China investors. That may not be the purpose of this book, yet it's something readers of Beijing Jeep will want.
Children receive drips to cure indigestion at a hopital in Suzhou, east China's Jiangsu province, February 23, 2007. A lot of children had to go to the hospital due to the inappropriate diet during the Chinese Spring Festival, China Daily reported.
This may be tangential to the post, but since moving to Asia, I have had more than my share of indigestion evenings, sometimes not even able to sleep well because something I ate for dinner or lunch makes my stomach the re-enactment geography for the Seven Days War.
The fascination with drips is that the hospitals charge 40-80 yuan per drip thereby raking in an enormous profit on pushing gloucose and the general population is woefully ignorant of basic biology, chemistry and medicine.
If a man or woman in a white lab coat says they need IV treatment, they don't ask questions.
As Chinese New Year approaches there are a growing number of articles highlighting an expected jump in births in China because it is a particularly auspicious year - year of the golden pig. While no one is denying it is year of the pig, it seems that just like Valentine's Day and Christmas it could well be that Chinese superstitions are being superceded by commercialism....the SCMP:
If you think the next lunar year is going to be an incredibly lucky one, think again; you may have fallen victim to commercial hype. It will not be the year of the golden pig, fortune tellers say. Rather, it is the fire pig which will rule our destinies in the coming 12 months.
So mothers who want their children born under a sign that supposedly brings wealth and good fortune will have to wait until 2031 for golden pig offspring. Veteran fung shui master Peter So Man-fung said the popular misconception that 2007 is a golden pig year may have come about because restaurants and shops often advertise each year as a "golden" one to help their business.
"This year is definitely the ding hai, the fire pig. The people who run restaurants like to say it's a golden year. Last year they said it was the golden dog, in 2005 they said it was the golden rooster," Mr So said.
But he said the Hospital Authority, whose director of professional services and operations, Allen Cheung Wai-lun, has also called 2007 a golden pig year, may not be entirely wrong in predicting 11 per cent more babies will be born in the next lunar year. "Last year was very lucky for marriage and there were a lot of weddings, so it's normal that the following year, there will be a lot of babies," Mr So said.
Another fung shui expert, Raymond Lo, agreed that commercial interests had likely been responsible for the year being mistaken for a golden pig year. And astrologer Jin Peh said: "I guess it sounds more attractive to say it's the golden pig. People are happier with the vision of the golden pig and it's certainly easier to sell a golden pig than a fire pig."
Mr Lo said: "The Chinese element for the year is the fire pig. It's fire over a water element, but I think probably because all Chinese usually use gold as something auspicious - it's a commercial thing. Shops like jewellery stores want to sell gold. "The last year of the golden pig was in 1971, and in 1911 before that, as it falls every 60 years," he said.
Mr Lo said women who fell pregnant thinking their children would be born in an auspicious year should not be disappointed. Their children may not be destined for great wealth, but under their astrological sign they will be protected by a nobleman who will help them through troubled times.
"All through their lives, they'll have someone to help and guide them through danger," he said, and noted that US President George W. Bush and thriller writer Steven King are both fire pigs.
Actually I quite like the idea of fire pigs...I can see them flying out of cannons with their tails aflame. Perhaps Chinese match makers (not matchmakers) need to increase their marketing budgets.
My brother is a golden pig. Born in 1971. Next golden pig year is 2031. Gold is signified by metal, as in the very famous year 2000 - Year of the Golden (metal) Dragon. It's a big scam to say fire = gold for this upcoming year, but hey, every holiday is commercialized to death. It's fun anyway, and a pig baby of any symbol is lucky.
Thanks for alerting me to this. Shocking stuff. I've just posted my own blog (http://graham.asiaandaway.com/travelogue)
about this subject. Please do drop by and have a look. Cheers.
Posted by Graham Bond at February 18, 2007 10:46 PM
As we approach Chinese New Year it is time for Western journalists in China to dust off their cliches. This time of year it's the world's greatest migration, with lots of mentions of several hundred million people moving about, photos of crowded train stations and so on.
We could establish a competition: what is the most common China journo cliche?
Even more interesting would be to see the evolution of these cliches. For example the old "they drive cars instead of riding bikes" theme has largely fallen by the wayside, and now there's a lot more about Chinese college kids having sex etc.
I'm all for being tolerant and everything, but sometimes it can go too far...and who would have thought that it would be China's turn to catch political correctness disease? CCTV has banned pigs from being shown in TV advertisements to avoid offending Muslims. In 3 weeks the Year of the Pig starts. Being Jewish I can wholeheartedly say the appearance of pigs on TV causes me absolutely no offence whatsoever.
In an age where terrorism is never far from the headlines, people's perceptions of safety have changed. The idea of being "safe", at least according to the media, is under attack. But at least one knows that there's one place you can truly be safe...Beijing's bomb-proof toilet:
The construction of a bullet proof public lavatory in the capital, worth up to 800,000 yuan (about US$100,600), is under fire citing a misuse of public funds, reports the Huaxia Times.
Quite frankly, that's money well spent. Who would dare invade a country that has such technology? The report fails to mention if the toilet also has one of those Japanese-style bidets built in. And in the run-up to the Beijing Olympics, add this toilet to the list of tourist sites in China's capital. They're only following the lead of Hong Kong, home of the golden toilet.
I don't know about you...but I know I'll sleep much better tonight knowing that Prez Hu will be able to have a good thought...and some warm water shot up his bum...without the threat of getting blasted out of the seat.
Conventional wisdom says China's intellectual property rights (IPR) are close to non-existant. Piracy is rampant and the exception that proves the rule is the tight control over China's Olympic merchandise. That said, even the same association can't quite work out how much it's costing. Two articles from today's Standard. First:
Piracy cost filmmakers US$2.7 billion (HK$21.06 billion) last year, with domestic firms shouldering more than half those losses, according to a study commissioned by a trade group representing the major Hollywood studios. China's film industry lost US$1.5 billion in revenue to piracy, while US studios lost US$565 million, according to data released Monday by the Motion Picture Association...Some 93 percent of all movie sales in China were of pirated versions of films, according to the latest study.
Makes you wonder about the 7% that buy originals at 5 times the price of copies. The key is to note that China's film industry suffers far more than America's. But from an op-ed in the same paper:
California Democratic congresswoman Diane Watson, whose district includes parts of Hollywood, said roughly 95 percent of all CDs and DVDs manufactured in China are counterfeit. She quoted the Motion Picture Association of America, claiming that its member companies lost about US$244 million in revenue to Chinese piracy last year.
Same association, two vastly different numbers. Maybe the MPAA uses Chinese statisticians to put the numbers together?
Who's to blame here? Is it the average Chinese worker, who earns maybe 5,000 yuan a year and can either buy a copy for 5 yuan or the original for 10 times as much? Is it China's government, who's domestic industry and creativity suffers far more from piracy than Hollywood? Or is it the outdated business and pricing models of foreign companies in the Chinese market?
Update 21/6
AP points to an excellent piece on the Variety blog that also shows the MPAA numbers are fantasy and rubbery (but what else can you expect from Hollywood?), as well as making some other telling points about these "losses".
You forgot the twin storm of Hollywood trying to delay DVD releases until well after the film is in cinemas with the fact that China imposes strict quotas (and other censorship) on foreign films (which includes Hong Kong films not made on the mainland as a JV with a quota of mainland actors and crew) making it in to cinemas at all.
So it's not just a strict economic factor of pirate versions being cheaper, but also the temporal factor that pirate versions are often available looooong before Hollywood acts to fill the demand.
China's history in one word is that they are mere "Imitators".
.............piracy is a crime though under whatever circumstances it's been done. There's a n urgent need for some strict laws under which anyone pirating must be charged.
Agree with Billy. I just think Beijing has decided that piracy is overall a net benefit to the Chinese economy and balance of trade despite stunting the film and software industries in China. Yes local officials don't always follow BJ's orders, but they do when they know what BJs priorities are.
As far as 'outdated pricing models': Of course its expensive to buy a dvd for someone not earning much, but American and other countries have this nifty little concept called video rental. Its the same with software, people complain that Photoshop is too expensive. Yes, its too expensive. Its a goddam professional program
The temporal factor (but not the censorship issue)is a by-product of the larger pirating issue IMO. Lax enforcement has allowed pirating which has given rise to large and truly efficient pirating networks. The urgency for the latest dvd NOW has not been the main impetus for piracy. The dvd's of the very very latest movies are also crap (filmed in the theater), so people wait until the movie company issues the dvd version so they buy the pirated version of that.
I will say however, that I am finding more hawkers of pirated dvd operating out of suitcases. I wonder if the city has been cracking down on storefront purveyors. Anyhow, if its a crackdown, I'd be surprised if it lasts long.
Some things to add to my verbal diarrhea:
Obviously video rental won't work here without enforcement of piracy, but I said it to show that the real thing can be affordable to most of the population. For the truly poor here, there already are video rental places...renting pirated dvd's that is.
Enforcement:
--The number of police in Shenzhen are restricted by the Official size of the city, which is different than reality. In Shenzhen you will see a lot of people in a uniform and on bicycle who are not police and have basically no power.
--a tremendously small percentage of police actually are on patrol etc. A huge number are basically bureaucrats pushing the many forms around that we all fill out--which is why you see so many policewoman wearing pumps amd policemen wearing loafers.
--Recently those few police in Shenzhen on patrol have been cruising around at slow speeds with their lights flashing. As if "hey pirateers! hide your stuff for a few minutes while we drive by so we don't have to get out of the car and actually do something."
I'm noticing lots of bashing of pirates here, so I will be devil's avacado for a moment.
Piracy of entertainment content is welcome in China due to the strict regulation and censorship that is placed upon all forms of visual entertainment.
I would wager good money that the majority of China's AmCham and EU Chamber of Commerce members buy pirated DVDs or rob broadcast signals trough illegal sattelite dishes. I imagine that this is also the case for party officials, journalists and employees of MPAA-member companies. It would challenge a person's sanity to only have access to CCP-approved material for viewing.
The majority of pubs where expats are meeting to watch football are not using 'legal' sattelite feeds of pay-per-view matches... they have hacked decoders and illegal dishes.
And the "loss of sales" numbers are complete crap. I picked up a pirated copy of "Bloodrayne" last week for five yuan. It was dreadful and I would never have spent $20 on a legitimate copy, nor would I have wasted 3 bucks on a rental at Blockbuster. Would the MPAA still count that as a full $20 in lost sales? I doubt it.
Until China has a free media, I welcome rampant piracy. (Knock offs of jet-engine parts, medicines and food products is anoter matter)
"It was dreadful and I would never have spent $20 on a legitimate copy, nor would I have wasted 3 bucks on a rental at Blockbuster. Would the MPAA still count that as a full $20 in lost sales? I doubt it." ---
While the stuff you quote is no doubt current, the stuff you've added is way out of date ...
legitimate DVDs of Hollywood films are now available for as low as 15 RMB and the price for most western studios' products has topped out at 30.
A certain major Hollywood studio is now testing selling their DVDs to pirate shops, providing incentives such as promotional materials and displays and generous return policies.
And now, a piece of old news ... "Beijing" has not decided that piracy is beneficial to the economy. However, a number of party officials and army officials at all levels have financial interests in the illegal replication plants and shops and it is their personal interest to see piracy continue as is.
And ... news flash ... the Chinese worker who earns 5,000 RMB per year usually cannot afford to buy a DVD player or a TV. The average urban worker, who earns in a range of 30,000 to 50,000 RMB per year, can afford a TV, a DVD player, and a legitimate 15 RMB DVD.
Variety's Asian cinema blog, Kaiju Shakedown, offers a post today that makes the same point that I attempted to (although much more concisely),:
"But, as we all know, these numbers regarding China are completely bogus anyways. Because most MPAA member movies can't be sold in China so they have no loss. China only allows 20 foreign films to be imported each year, and usually 14 - 16 of these are from MPAA members. So what the MPA is talking about in this report isn't "profits lost to pirates in China" but "profits lost to closed markets in China".
Chris, China only allows 20 foreign films to be screened in cinemas each year. There is no limit on the number of foreign films that can be released on home video. Of course, Chinese censorship does play a roll, so that innocuous fluff like Corpse Bride is banned - but widely available from pirates. Anything that is deemed to be too violent, that shows China in a bad light, that deals with the occult, too sexual, that shows criminals getting away with their crimes is usually banned.
Oh my ghosh !So huuuuuuuuuuge losses, bear it now. Everybody has to pay for the bad deeds, now there's no use of crying on split milk.
..........if China and America still dont realise, atleast i can imagine their dark future with economy falling at a rapid speed.............so...........
I expect this will be ESWN's cup of tea...The Standard reprints a WaPo article that digs into the supposed plethora of engineering graduates in China and India as opposed to the United States. It appears the numbers on graduate engineers from both China and India, unsurprisingly, are on the rubbery side of accurate:
Among such recent attention-getting statistics are 600,000, 350,000 and 70,000. These are, allegedly, the number of engineers produced in 2004 in China, India and the United States, respectively....Bialik couldn't find any obvious birthplace for the Indian figures, but National Science Foundation analysts told him the number was unlikely to be anywhere near 350,000. As for the academies' report, Deborah Stine, who led the study, told Bialik that the committee had "assumed Fortune did fact- checking on their numbers" and so used them.
Meanwhile, a McKinsey Global Institute report had cast doubt on the quality of the Chinese engineering graduates, so Bialik reasoned that removing unqualified candidates would obviously reduce the total.
Read the full article to see "conventional wisdom" at work and at its worst. We saw something similar with the numbers for Hong Kong's July 1st marches (something ESWN looked at both in 2004 and in 2005). It also emphasises two truths: it pays to be sceptical of statistics in the press and it pays to be sceptical of statistics from China.
the indian # and chinese # seems quite comparable.
i do not think it is the problem of stats. take HK as an example. people often complained that U-grads pay scales starts from around 8000-1200 15 years ago and about the same today. but they forgot to mention the obvious, that there are 8 Univ today, vs 2 back then. and the starting salaries of the top 2 Univ have increased significantly. (as much as 35-50k for top students)
the first question is: what is an engineer? this is a non-trivial question.
The US number of 70,000 per year comes from a NSF table like this one:
http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/nsf04311/tables/tab26.xls
But Engineering degrees in USA will not cover computer sciences, mathematics, physics, chemistry, biology, architecture, operations research, logistics, etc. So you think a computer scientist (either software or hardware) is not an engineer?
I don't know how China or India keep their classification systems. I am not sure that the bookkeeping is the same.
Yes, what is an engineer indeed. When I first came over to work on the mainalnd as an urban planner I was surprised when my colleagues referred to me as an engineer. Math and the like are definitely not my strong suit, but so be it.
These numbers may or not be accurate but I think the prospects are good that they are close enough not to be easily dismissed. It may be because of some statistics I read over 40 years ago, and those WERE accurate. They stated the graduation rate ratio of engineers to lawyers in a little island nation was 21 times the graduation rate ratio of engineers to lawyers in the U.S. Remember Japan?
Appropos Dave's recent post on the Three Gorges Dam, and courtesy the generosity of the British taxpayer, the BBC has an excellent photo-essay of the Three Gorges Dam. I can only echo Dave's sentiments - they might have moved 1.3 million people, flooded arceological wonders and more but it's quite an achievement.
For modern-day mainland Chinese, does the goal and one's pursuit of it validate any means of obtaining it, including the purposeful obscuration of the truth?
In short, does the ends justify the means? Given the boom in China's efforts to lure research dollars and a greater share of the outsourcing trend, these findings could be disturbing. But it could also be the start of something. Japan grew wealthy partly by becoming extremely good at copying Western technology and then improving on it, for example by miniaturisation. By imitating this technology, they mastered it and evenetually developed their own innovations. Other countries have done the same.
It now appears China is well qualified in the copying area. The innovation and improvement parts might have a way to go. What's most impressive is this guy was caught and it was published, rather than swept under the carpet and kept quiet.
Hey! so what even if Chinese are copy cats. Everyone thinks for their best. Fair or foul means hardly matters if you are benefitting out of it. And you what imitating is also an art.
I guess I come from a part of the world were originality matters. But I would like the world to start treating China with some hefty skepticism. Otherwise, weér all in for some bad weather. I would just point out that if other companies treat their resigning employees the way mine has treated me, then I am sure there are a whole tribe of grousing, fed up people in Hong Kong. Why don't bpeople do something about their situations in a positive way? Instead of spnosoring lying, as Loy seems to be doing.
Someone told me that there are many reports of merchants several centuries ago having their wares copied by the Chinese. Though branding wasn't quite what it is today... it shows the concept of 'Original Work' just isn't an Asian one...
Not to say there aren't Asian people making highly original and innovative contributions to the world at large... they, I feel, are the exception though.
China has a long long way to go before it gets it on innovation. Until its schools start encouraging free thought, as opposed to rote memorization, it isn't going to happen. And how do you get teachers who can teach that way when they themselves have been taught another way? I am not an educator but this must take time.
I like your comment about how we do need to be impressed with China outing this guy and not sweeping it under the rug.
I disagree with the Humanaught who seems to be argue that copying is in the genetic code of all Asians.
...But Naomi Simmons, whose books do not appear on any sales charts, has outsold him [Dan Brown, author of Da Vinci Code] by more than two to one.
Simmons, from Shenley in Hertfordshire, north of London, is the author of "New Standard English," a series of text books for primary school children that has sold 105 million copies in China. But unlike Brown, who has earned US$425 million from royalties for his novels, Simmons took a fixed payment of US$272,000.
Simmons and her co-authors became a phenomenon in China after the Ministry of Education decreed in 2001 that English should be taught in schools. Her book published by Macmillan English and FLTRP, the publishing house of Beijing University has inspired a generation of Chinese schoolchildren to sing songs about how the British use knives and forks rather than chopsticks.
I'm hoping Simmons' book has a better ending than Da Vinci Code. And who's bought the movie rights? I'll bet Ms Simmons never again opts for the fixed payment rather than a royalty.
Wow, poor Ms. Simmons! What a mistake that fixed rate turned out to be, huh? Oh, well -- hindsight and all that. I'm sure $272,000 for a children's English text seemed like a small fortune at the time.
Looking to impress your friends at the next dinner party? In our high brow China reading department, try the American Foreign Policy Council paper on China's Africa Strategy. Don't thank me for raising your IQ.
But i want to thanx for the idea. And i really felt good to know about the friendly relations between the two.Anyways waiting to know more about the strategy.
I know its bit silly to ask but wud Africa China strategy really be helpful in impressing a friend at the dinner party?
Waiting to know more about the strategy!!!!!!!!
The folks at Marginal Revolution have turned in not just one but two different but interesting posts.
Firstly they point to an LA Times article on the village of Renhe, where villagers took advantage of a loophole in a government regulation by getting divorced to qualify for better housing as compensation for their land, only for the government to change the rules. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad that many elderly villages have been screwed thanks to a government cock-up.
Behavioral economic research has tended to ignore the role of cultural differences in economic decision-making. The authors suggest that a systematic bias affects existing behavioral economic theory - cognitive biases are often assumed to be universal. To examine how cultural background informs economic decision-making, and to test framing effects, morality effects, and out-group effects in a cross-cultural study, the authors conducted an experiment in the United States and China. The experiment was designed to test cultural and cognitive effects on a fundamental economic phenomenon - how people estimate the financial values of objects over time.
Results of the experiment demonstrated dramatic cultural differences in financial value estimations, as well as on the influence of variables such as framing effects. Chinese participants made higher object value estimates than Americans did, even when adjusting for differing national inflation rates. In addition, the results showed that contextual information, such as framing, morality information, and group membership affected judgments of financial values in complex ways, particularly for Chinese participants. The results underscore the importance of understanding the influence of cultural background on economic decision-making. The authors discuss the results in the context of behavioral law and economics, and propose that importing cultural competence into behavioral models can lead to cognitive debiasing, both temporary and permanent.
Thirdly, Sam Crane points to a comparison between Singapore and China, which includes the stunning and thought provoking line In comparison [to Singapore], China is a paradise of academic freedom. Add another to Hemlock's pathetic Singapore list. The rest of the article is a look inside Tsinghua University, one of the country's elite places of learning, and how one academic finds teaching a potentailly fraught topic: politics.
There, you just learnt three new things today. No need to thank me.
I looked at that paper on culture and behavioural economics/finance and found it to be one of those papers where the isolation of variables was poor and the conclusions didn't match the data.
Interesting topic, but I was concerned when the authors suggested that Kahnemann & Tversky were advocating their positions as universal regardless of culture. I've never heard Kahnemann or Thaler or Shleifer or Prelec suggest anything of the sort.
As for the data provided in the paper, the isolation of the valuation changes for various "commodities" only in relation to inflation? Give me a break. Beyond the questionable data on inflation from China over the last 10 years, there are also serious questions as to whether the valuation change of a gold coin or antique chair or government-issued bond would differ in a 1:1 relation to inflation in either the US or China.
And even with some of the data presented showing gradations of difference, which aren't properly isolated, the generalised conclusions provided by Kahnemann & Tversky still held 100%.
The Economist has a survey of China in its latest edition. The first article in the series looks at the challenges China faces at home before the 2008 Olympics and beyond. The rest of the survey requires subscription. Once I've read through it I'll post more thoughts and comments.
Update
At the half-way point, the survey has basically rehashed much of what you've lready seen at this blog and others over the past year or so. The conclusion seems to be that to solve the rural/urban divide serious rural land reform needs to happen, primarily involving given peseants tradable land rights. Sounds right to me.
Shanxi and Inner Mongolia are rich in coal resources, and with the rise in energy prices worldwide, their GNP should be going up relative to the consuming provinces. Its happening in other places. In Canada, Alberta is growing at a faster rate than Ontario. Likewise in the US, Wyoming is booming compared to Illinois.
The People's Daily asks an interesting question and replies with a load of blather: are human rights higher than sovereignty? The not-so-subtle introduction says:
As the United Nations is reforming its Human Rights Commission into Human Rights Council, the United States has published 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices accusing countries like China, DPRK and Myanmar of having poor records and claiming human rights are higher than sovereignty. Experts say the essence of such a claim is a pretext for interfering in other country's domestic affairs.
That human rights are higher than sovereignty is an excuse.
That's their emphasis. The assumption is that human rights and sovereignty are mutually exclusive propositions. However many places, such as the United States, are founded on the principle that sovereignty and human rights are intimately linked. Try the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In this silly game of tit-for-tat in human rights reports, the Chinese have lost sight of the biggest difference between them and the Americans - the Americans know and admit they aren't perfect. The non-interference in internal affairs line is logically incoherent and a morally bankrupt piece of self-justification. In that regard it fits China's government like a glove.
Cmon THM, Americans have two reactions to the UN and other international bodies criticizing our social policies: a) who cares or b) how dare they. Special rapporteur report on torture in Guantanamo, a perfect example: most of the US doesn't know/care, while Rummie gets pissed off that they only used secondhand reports (even though that was because Rummie wouldn't meet the rapporteurs baseline standards, which even friggin' China attempted). Plus the recent xenophobia over the ports deal? Fuggedaboutit, American indignation over foreigners gettin' up in our business is at an all-time high. There is a double standard on human rights issues if you don't condemn the US for its direct or indirect contributions to abuses while pointing the finger at China.
Those who preach it had better PRACTICE it. If in actuality it can't be exerciesed because of silliy reasons like need for oil, then it doesn't really exists.
Did the Iraqis had a chance to decide if US notion of human rights is higher than their sovereignty?
Our notion of human rights seems to include use of depelted uranium dirty bombs, white phosphorus/napalm firebombs, torture gulags.
I just heard in the news that 1500 occupation force along with 50 blackhawk/jetfighters is trying to catch/kill 100 Iraqis. It seems to me US sovereignty is higher than other's sovereignty, and nothing about human rights.
I wonder if you have read this exciting book: China's Global Reach: Markets, Multinationals, and Globalization by a famous Chinese commentator George Zhibin Gu, whose powerful newspaper pieces are widely read. I was very happy to run into it: overpowering and fun to read. It gives huge cutting-edge ideas on current global issues. Being your fan, I love to get your review on this book. All the best.
Haven't read that one, Jack. Feel free to send a copy and I'll read it (email me for details), otherwise I'll add it to my ever-growing list of books to get and read.
Say's Law in action, or the study of incentives....The Standard reproduces a WaPo report on changing status of baby girls in China from pariahs to sought-after commodity for gangs to kidnap and provide for adoption by Westerners. And while on things economic, William Pesek discusses how a yuan revaluation can lift Asia out of poverty, although the potential to destabilise China and cause economic chaos remains large, the yuan has recently weakened even in its limited float and the Chinese trade surplus shrank last month (although one month's numbers don't make a trend). It's not clear that the yuan is over-valued, protectionist frothing American senators notwithstanding.
Uhhh Simon, I think you have everything backwards. The Yuan hasn't weakened in it's limited float, it has strengthened against the dollar. I believe the current exchange rate is 8.05 to 1. Also the complaint by American politicians is that the Yuan is undervalued not over-valued. Just what kind of Jewish banker are you anyways? :P
p.s. are you even Jewish, for some reason I seem to remember hearing you were.
Many China watchers are united in the hope that this great country will one day turn democratic. However as recent experience has shown, becoming a democracy does not necessarily mean becoming a peaceful, loving, caring and liberal place (Hamas, anyone?). David D. Hale has released a report observing that a democratic China could well be a greater threat to the rest of Asia. There is an excellent summary of the report in the CSM by Arthur Bright, with additional links to mainstream media reporting on this. David Hale himself discusses the report in an article in The Australian, comparing China's recent rise with Germany in 1914.
Without paying A$20 to read the report itself, the implications certain ring true. A democratic China is not necessarily a more compliant, gentler or less assertive one. In fact the penchant for nationalism the current leadership shows the deep undercurrent of nationalism that exists within what passes for a polity in China. It's not hard to imagine nationalist forces (small n) jumping into a democratic mess - what else could unite such a diverse country? And with a democratic mandate there would be room to push the envelope even further, especially if there's votes in it (please see Chen, Taiwan).
Sometimes it pays to be careful what you wish for.
C'mon, Simon. It's unmitigated crap, the kind that can only be produced by people who think that realpolitik means always choosing the shittiest option -- the real-men-screw-other-people types. It is ethically unconscionable to recommend that a billion people live in corrupt authoritarian nightmare so that you can imagine that they are more "predictable" (please see Hitler, Germany or Stalin, Russia, for predictability and authoritarianism). The report also contains seriously humorous nonsense -- China is already nationalistic and already a threat to its neighbors (please see Dalai Lama, Tibet, and Chen, Taiwan, not to mention oilfields, Japan). Seeking external scapegoats? That's part-n-parcel to human thinking, and China is no exception -- probably worst than most places. Democracy might actually ameliorate some of these problems. Just a thought.
Sure, democracy might not make China less bellicose (Iraq and US/UK). It might make it more unpredictable -- well, at least for those who dose their foreign policy with a healthy diet of testosterone. But for those of us with richer worldviews than the impoverished and clueless power worship that comprises the realpolitik mode of thought, China will probably be very predictable.
Think positive: democracies generally don't fight each other, and make much better neighbors than authoritarian states.
This is what happens when people don't think in essentials. What China needs is respect for individual rights. To the extent that individual rights are protected and respected, its domestic and international situation will improve. Of course if the US President can't tell the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic based on the protection of individual rights, how can one expect it of the Chinese?
As one of the impoverished and clueless power worshippers I heavily disagree with Michael Turton.
p.s. Tibet is part of China, Taiwan is part of China, and the oilfields are on China's side of the border (The Japanese are accusing China of pulling a Kuwait). :P
I guess some people have different ideas of what constitute as essentials. Respect for individual rights is fairly low down on the list behind economic growth, political stability, and POWAAAAAAAAH!
to all those who attack the aussie academics. please note they have been very careful in their choice of word ("use", "not neccesarrily")
i.e. they merely listed this as one of the many directions that China may go. quoting hitler's germany needs certain interpretation. e.g.
1) how many democracies turned into Nazi?
2) does China has the pre-condition that Germany had in the 1930s? (economic recession, victim mentality after WWI -- you may find Japan may be more comparable to Germany in 1930s than China, if it suffers another recession. The other lesson is for the international society to avoid pushing China into the Germany-corner, e.g. isolating it economically, helping the nationalists find excuse to spread victim mentality)
Therefore, the Aussies are of course correct in raising such caution, esp as an academic exercise.
We should know that whatever a few academics down-under say does not change the course China moves. We should also thank the Aussie for alerting us of such possibility, so that we deal with the problem ahead. The problem is not they are right or not, it is how China and the world work together to face such challenge.
Perhaps all politics is not necessarily local, but a damn good portion of it is local. If that is true, democracy might well have the effect of empowering people and orienting them to address issues close to their everyday lives. Pollution looms large here, as does access to health care and education. Why would these issues not come to dominate a democratic China, turning it inward and maintaining its relatively peaceful foreign policy? (I know, there is a lot of pressure on Taiwan but no attack...)
Michael: ever heard of the War of 1812? Or consider, a few years back, how Australia soldiers came close to a firefight with their Indonesian opposites in East Timor? There is nothing preventing democratic-democratic warfare expect the will of their populaces. Which, if they're in a feisty mood that year, is little.
And if China decides to get rid of the Commies... well, I think they'll be lucky enough to end up with someone like Putin, or a "Weimar" scenario. You could end up with a return of the warlords. Or either worse: Tajikistan.
Josephine Ma in the SCMP looks at the downside of the new socialist countryside fairy tale, by taking at a look the new model villages being built.
It is an unusual combination: piles of dry wood and maize leaves stacked behind rows of two-storey villas in a clean concrete compound, surrounded by muddy traditional villages. New Liangzhui village and the lookalike Xujia village 2km away look like any other luxury Beijing property development - except for the stockpiled fuel that betrays the residents' dilemma.
As the campaign to build a "new socialist countryside" - a main theme of this year's National People's Congress and the Work Report of Premier Wen Jiabao - sweeps the country, New Liangzhui, the 2002 brainchild of property tycoon Liang Xisen, is widely hailed by the media as a sample of what a modern village could be. It could be likened to a 21st-century version of Dazhai village, the model village that symbolised modernisation and wealth for farmers in the "new socialist countryside" campaign of the 1950s. But this time it owes its existence to capitalism rather than communism.
Mr Liang, who developed Beijing's exclusive Rose Garden estate, spent 42 million yuan converting his home village in the poorest part of Shandong into his vision of a modern village. When the project was completed in 2002, each family was allocated a 280 square metre villa, while younger villagers were given smaller flats in four-storey buildings. In return, villagers handed their farmland to Mr Liang to build a 23-hectare beef feedlot and abattoir. Most of Liangzhui's 400 villagers are hired by the beef operation, earning a stable monthly salary of 600 yuan. They were also given shares in the farm and are eligible for bonuses.
Nevertheless, life in the model village is not as carefree as it appears. Although almost every family has an electric stove, many still burn firewood and maize leaves for cooking, to minimise electricity bills. Li Yulan said although her two children were each allotted a flat and she received a villa, meeting the bills was difficult.
The problem is even more acute in Xujia village, a second attempt by Mr Liang to covert a traditional village into rows of villas, completed late last year. Sitting outside her new villa, 48-year-old Zhang Delan kills time stripping the cotton she harvested last year. "This is the last time we will do such work as we have no land anymore. This is last year's harvest," she said. Xujia villagers also handed over their farmland, with Mr Liang telling the media he planned to introduce mechanised farming, run by a co-operative. "I think they will give us a job, otherwise what can we do? We have no land anymore," Ms Zhang said.
Mr Liang, a farmer with just one year's schooling who became a billionaire after buying out the bankrupt Rose Garden project, has said he plans to convert 109 villages in the town of Huangjia along the same lines. To provide jobs for the landless farmers, he planned to expand his beef business and set up more factories. But Xujia villagers have doubts: the beef business and the modernisation of Liangzhui village cost Mr Liang 400 million yuan, although they can barely hide their pride when they show off the new homes.
Taizhang village lies just next to Xujia, its winding mud paths lined with brick houses. Mr Liang originally chose Taizhang for his second experiment, but the plan soured over a trivial argument with villagers about the thickness of the wall enclosing the village. Taizhang villager Zhang Jun , 60, said he would not mind moving to a villa, although he was also content with his two-storey farmhouse. He used to work in Tianjin , a three-hour drive away, as a migrant worker and managed to save 400,000 yuan to build a house of his own. Mr Zhang said all young villagers were now working in cities and life was better since the agricultural tax was scrapped last year.
Chen Xiwen, a top rural policymaker with the central government, recently said the latest campaign to build a new socialist countryside was not about demolishing old villages, but more concerned with setting aside public funding for infrastructure, education and healthcare services. "I saw in some places they built tall buildings of 10 or 20 storeys and it is so inconvenient for farmers to carry sickles and pickaxes with them into the lifts," Mr Chen said. But despite repeated warnings, local governments had scrambled to spruce up villages and select model villages as "new socialist" showcases, analysts said.
Without billionaire backers, other villages have to foot the bill through public finances or by raising funds from farmers.
My emphasis both times. Despite the negative spin, it would seem that Liang's efforts are the best way to go - a market solution to the problem of poverty. Smaller plots are accumulated into viable commercial farmland, agribusiness improves the wages and conditions of villagers and so on in a virtuous cycle. A perfectly capitalist solution for the new socialist countryside.
There's a new buzzword entering the Chinese lexicon: "new socialist countryside". As part of its efforts to help the 800 million Chinese peasants who are seeing their city cousins get richer far faster than they are, the CCP has put out a policy statement that contains enough motherhood statements to last a lifetime. The real test is whether these good intentions of the central government can be translated into facts on the ground once provincial and regional authorities get involved. Beijing, despite appearances, does not have a strong grip over the provinces and those governments are often intimately involved with state owned enterprises. That leads to clashes with peasants over land rights, development, pollution and more. In a democracy, of course, the peasantry can vote the bastards out at the next election. But examples such as Taishi show that even getting rid of corrupt village leaders is a difficult and dangerous task. The government knows about these problems and pledges to "strictly protect interests of land-lost farmers" while cutting the numbers of township-level officials. In short, we're watching a struggle between the central and provincial governments, with 800 million livelihoods in the balance.
There was an AP report last night from Atlanta where an active Fa Lun Gong supporter had his home broken into, got beaten up, and had two laptops taken by three Asian men that apparently spoke both Korean and Mandarin. The Fa Lun Gong supporter seems to have no doubt that the perpetrators were Chinese agents.
The FBI had no comment except that they were looking into it.
The French organization Reporters without Borders claims that Chinese agents have abused Fa Lun Gong supporters in Hong Kong, South Africa and Australia, but that this was the first case reported of such a serious incident in the US.
Is this a case of Agents Chinois Sans Frontieres? Would be very bad PR for China in the US, to put it mildly, when religious freedom is a hot-button issue in the American southern states, not to mention a gross violation of the world hegemon's sovereignty. But let's see how the evidence in the case develops first.
If they spoke Korean...who's to say they weren't North Korean's hired by the Chinese...but, yet they have plausible deniability in knowing about them, because they weren't really Chinese.
Quite. As I said, it would be very disturbing if it is true, but let's wait and see if the FBI can patch together what really happened. China does have several hundred thousand Koreans living in China though. The language on its own is inconclusive.
As harrassed and persecuted on the mainland as the FLG is, I take some of their complaints and claims outside of there with the proverbial grain of salt. Epoch Times isn't exactly a reliable news source.
And as the father of a half-Korean boy I've been less than completely sympathetic since I read a transcript of a talk the founder Li Hongzhi gave in Australia where he stated that mixed race children "are not human beings." They don't believe in "race mixing." Kind of like the KKK or Hitler with a heart, perhaps.
This is also the same guy who also says his followers can stop speeding cars by utilizing his teachings, believes extraterrestrials are everywhere and that Africa is home to a 2-billion-year-old nuclear reactor. He also says he can fly.
i have never met a "spiritual movement" as mad as FLG in trying to convert me to a "believer". they sent people, books (before the crackdown), paper, photos and tons of junk mails. but that is a mission impossible. how can i believe that there is a wheel inside of my belly and that the moon is a God made rubbish collection center?
comparing the attitutes of the west towards Taiping Heavenly Kingdom uprising and FLG could be interesting. the west didn't support the THK uprising even it claimed to be Christian believers and kind of sympathize and support the FLG.
the crackdown might not be the best approach to deal with the FLG heathendom, but it's no doubt that a china with FLG will be much better than a china with such a "spiritual movement"
Justin and Bingfeng, believe me I am no fan of the Falungong. I merely thought it was an interesting development in the story of Chinese agents harassing FLG members outside of China's borders.
And Bingfeng, I think the Western powers were slightly open-minded towards the Taipings until they actually met them in Nanjing - they realized they were all a bunch of Hakka crackpots that were far more violent and unstable than the Qing regime.
Back to the present, I can understand why the CCP would not want to share moral authority with the FLG when they hold some of the wacky beliefs that they do. I just think (and this is unsubstantiated at present) that it would be awfully forward of them to attack FLG supporters in the United States.
It's possible, but I feel it is unfair to attribute above run-ins to the Chinese government while the facts do not support such conclusion.
For example, has any of the mentioned cases confirmed the assailant's connection with the Chinese government? Has there been any warrant issued that's similar to the case where our own CIA operatives were indicted by the Italian court for kidnap and torture?
Also it is not clear if prepondrance of evidence support the accusation made by, groups and individuals with certain agenda. Are you aware that some members of the Falun Gong movement have been responsible for terrorists activities such as hijacking satillite signals and destruction of communication utilities?
One must also considered the possibility of more plausible explanations. Such as Metro Atlanta's high crime rate or Fulton County's notably higher home entry crime number? Statistics show 45% of such types of crime occur in Southern states and Fulton County has twice as many home entry crimes compared to surrounding areas. Here are the numbers:
http://www.cbs46.com/Global/story.asp?S=4069540
Home invasion is so rampant in Atlanta a local television station did a multi-part special on it. Also according to a NIH paper, from June 1st to August 31, 2004, Atlanta Police Department reported nearly 100 cases of home invasion crime:
Without talking about the merits of this case, there would be something awry if China didn't have agents in America, just as it would be incredibly odd to think America doesn't have agents in China.
Admist all the ongoing bashing of American companies that are being labelled traitors and collaborators with the Chinese government in internet censorship efforts, important developments are likely to be missed. For example the IHT reports on an extra-ordinary protest by senior ex-officials of the CCP and scholars against the closure of Beijing magazine Freezing Point. Amongst the protesters is Mao's former secretary and biographer, Liu Rui. Absolutely read the whole article.
Another must read piece is ESWN's translation of an article in Caijing, seen as a veiled warning from the central government to the provinces to avoid obstructing reforms through their collaboration with local businesses.
China's has half the firehouses it needs, according to international standards. Which makes one wonder how the whole place hasn't burnt down already...or that perhaps everywhere else in the world is over-serviced (or burdened?) by excess firehouses.
From Peter Zeihan and the good folks at StratFor, by :
The "Chinese miracle" has been a leading economic story for several years now. The headlines are familiar: "China's GDP Growth Fastest in Asia." "China Overtakes United Kingdom as Fourth-Largest Economy." "China Becomes World's Second-Largest Energy Consumer." "China Revises GDP Growth Rates Upward -- Again." Everywhere, one can find news articles about China, rising like a phoenix from the economic debris of its Maoist system to change and challenge the world in every way imaginable.
But just like the phoenix, the idea of an inevitable Chinese juggernaut is a myth.
Continues below the jump.
Moreover, Western markets have been at least subconsciously aware of this for a decade. More than half of the $1.1 trillion in foreign direct investment that has flowed into China since 1995 has not been foreign at all, but money recirculated through tax havens by various local businessmen and governing officials looking to avoid taxation. Of the remainder, Western investment into China has remained startlingly constant at about $7 billion annually. Only Asian investors whose systems are often plagued (like Japan's) by similar problems of profitability or (like Indonesia's) outright collapse have been increasing their exposure in China.
Once the numbers are broken down, it's clear that the reality of China does not live up to the hype. While it is true that growth rates have been extremely strong, growth does not necessarily equal health. China's core problem, the inability to allocate capital efficiently, is embedded in its development model. The goals of that model -- rapid urbanization, mass employment and maximization of capital flow -- have been met, but to the detriment of profitability and return on capital. In time, China is likely to find itself undone not only by its failures, but also by its successes.
The Chinese Model
Until very recently, China's economic system operated in this way:
State-owned banks held a monopoly on deposits in the country, allowing them to take advantage of Asians' legendary savings rate and thus ensuring a massive pool of capital. The state banks then lent to state-owned enterprises (SOEs). This served two purposes. First, it kept the money in the family and assisted Beijing in maintaining control of the broader economic and political system. Second, because loans were disbursed frequently and at subsidized rates -- and banks did not insist upon strict repayment -- the state was able to guarantee ongoing employment to the Chinese masses.
This last point was -- and remains -- of critical importance to the Chinese Politburo: they know what can happen when the proletariat rises in anger. That is, after all, how they became the Politburo in the first place.
The cost of keeping the money circulating in this way, of course, is that China's state firms are now so indebted as to make their balance sheets a joke, and the banks are swimming in bad debts -- independent estimates peg the amount at around 35-50 percent of the country's GDP. Yet so long as the economic system remains closed, the process can be kept up ad infinitum: After all, what does it matter if the banks are broke if they are state-backed and shielded from competition and enjoy exclusive access to all of the country's depositors?
This system, initiated under Deng Xiaoping in 1979, served China well for years. It yielded unrestricted growth and rapid urbanization, and helped China emerge as a major economic power. And so long as China kept its financial system under wraps, it would remain invulnerable.
But the dawning problem is that China is not in its own little world: It is now a World Trade Organization member, and nearly half of its GDP is locked up in international trade. Its WTO commitments dictate that by December, Beijing must allow any interested foreign companies to compete in the Chinese banking market without restriction. But without some fairly severe adjustments, this shift would swiftly suck the capital out of the Chinese banking system. After all, if you are a Chinese depositor, who would you put your money with -- a foreign bank offering 2 percent interest and a passbook that means something, or a local state bank that can (probably) be counted on to give your money back (without interest)?
The Chinese are well aware of their problems, and perhaps their greatest asset at this point is that -- unlike the Soviets before them -- they are hiding neither the nature nor the size of the problem. Chinese state media have been reporting on the bad loan issue for the better part of two years, and state officials regularly consult each other as well as academics and businesspeople on what precisely they should do to avert a catastrophe.
The result has been a series of stopgap measures to buy time. Among these, the most far-reaching initiative has been a partial reform of the financial sector. The government has founded a series of asset-management companies to take over the bad loans from the state banks, thus scrubbing them free of most of the nonperforming loans. The scrubbed banks are then opened up so that interested foreign investors can purchase shares.
So far as it goes, this is a win-win scenario: Foreign banks get access to assets in-country before the December jump-in date, and the state banks avoid meltdown. In addition, a measure of foreign management expertise is injected into the system that hopefully will teach the state banks how to lend appropriately and -- if all goes well -- lead to the formation of a healthy financial sector. At the same time, the deep-pocketed foreign companies come away with a vested interest in keeping their new partners -- and by extension, the Chinese government -- fully afloat.
The only downside is that central government, through its asset-management firms, assumes responsibility for financially supporting all of China's loss-making state-owned enterprises.
But this rather ingenious banking shell game addresses only the immediate problem of a looming financial catastrophe. Left completely untouched is the existence of a few hundred billion dollars in dud loans -- linked to tens of thousands of dud firms for which the central government is now directly responsible.
Which still leaves for China the unsettled question: "Now what do we do?"
Two Opposing "Solutions"
As can be expected from a country that just underwent a leadership change, there are two competing solutions.
The first solution belongs to the generation of leadership personified by Deng Xiaoping and Jiang Zemin, and could be summed up as a philosophy of "Grow faster and it will all work out." It could be said that during Jiang's presidency, while the leadership certainly perceived China's debt problem, they -- like their counterparts in Japan -- felt that attacking the problem at its source -- the banking system -- would lead to an economic collapse (not to mention infuriate political supporters who benefited greatly from the system of cheap credit).
Jiang's recommendation was that everyone should build everything imaginable in hopes that the resulting massive growth and development would help catapult China to "developed country" status -- or, at the very least, raise overall wealth levels sufficiently that the population would not turn rebellious. In the minds of Jiang and his generation of leaders, the belief was that only rapid economic growth -- defined as that in excess of 8 percent annually -- could contain growing unemployment and urbanization pressures and thus hold social instability at bay.
The second solution comes from the current generation of leadership, represented by President Hu Jintao. This solution calls for rationalizing both development goals and credit allocation. The leadership wants to eliminate the "growth for its own sake" philosophy, consolidate inefficient producers and upgrade everything with a liberal dose of technology. Key to this strategy is a centrally planned effort to focus economic development on the inland areas that need it most -- and this entails tighter control over credit. Hu wants loans to go only to enterprises that will use money efficiently or to projects that serve specific national development goals -- narrowing the rich-poor, urban-rural and coastal-interior gaps in particular.
There are massive drawbacks to either solution.
Regional and local governors enthusiastically seized upon Jiang's program to massively expand their own personal fiefdoms. And as corporate empires of these local leaders grew, so too did Chinese demand for every conceivable industrial commodity. One result was the massive increases in commodity prices of 2003 and 2004, but the results for the Chinese economy were negligible. China consumes 12 percent of global energy, 25 percent of aluminum, 28 percent of steel and 42 percent of cement -- but is responsible for only 4.3 percent of total global economic output. Ultimately, while "solution" espoused by Jiang's generation did forestall a civil breakdown, it also saddled China with thousands of new non-competitive projects, even more bad debt, and a culture of corruption so deep that cases of applied capital punishment for graft and embezzlement have soared into the thousands.
Yet the potential drawbacks of the solution offered by Hu's generation are even worse. In attempting to consolidate, modernize and rationalize Jiang's legacy, Hu's government is butting heads with nearly all of the country's local and regional leaderships. These people did quite well for themselves under Jiang and are not letting go of their wealth easily. Such resistance has forced the Hu government to reform by a thousand pinpricks, needling specific local leaders on specific projects while using control of the asset management firms as a financial hammer. After all, since the central government relieved the state banks of their bad loan burden, it now has the perfect tool to strip power from those local leaders who prove less-than-enthusiastic about the changes in government policy.
Or at least that is how it is supposed to work. Local government officials have become so entrenched in their economic and political fiefdoms that they are, at best, simply ignoring the central government or, at worst, actively impeding central government edicts.
Hu's team is indeed making progress, but with the problem mammoth and the resistance both entrenched and stubborn, they can move only so fast for fear of risking a broader collapse or rebellion. And this does not take into consideration Beijing's efforts to strengthen the Chinese interior -- where the poorest Chinese actually live. Complicating matters even more, Hu's strategy relies upon the central government's ability to wring money out of the wealthy coastal regions to pay for the reconstruction of the interior.
That has made the coastal leaders even more disgruntled. However, they have come upon a fresh source of funding, replacing the traditional sources of capital that now are drying up as a result of the personnel changes in Beijing: the underground lending system, which was spurred by the official government monopoly over banks in years past. The central government now estimates that the underground banking sector is worth 800 billion yuan, or some 28 percent of the value of all loans granted in country.
Dealing with Failure -- And Success
The question in our mind is which strategy will fail -- or even succeed -- first. If Jiang's system prevails, then growth will continue, along with the attendant rise in commodity prices -- but at the cost of growing income disparity and environmental degradation. The likely outcome of such "success" would be a broad rebellion by the country's interior regions as money becomes increasingly concentrated in the coastal regions long favored by Jiang. And that is assuming the financial system does not collapse first under its own weight.
Local rebellions in China's rural regions have already become common, but two of are particular note.
In March, the villagers of Huaxi in the Zhejiang region protested against a local official who had used his connections to build a chemical plant on the outskirts of town. When rumors of police brutality surfaced, some 20,000 villagers quite literally seized control of the town from 3,000 security personnel. Before all was said and done, the villagers invited regional press agencies in to chronicle events in the town that had told the Politburo to go to hell, and started burning police property and parading riot control equipment before anyone who would watch. They actually sold tickets to their rebellion. Huaxi marked the first time local officials actually lost control of a town.
Then, in December, protests erupted against a local official in Shanwei, who had similarly lined his pockets with the money that was supposed to have been made available to farmers displaced by his expanding wind-power farm. The local governor figured that since he was investing not just in an energy-generating project in energy-starved China, but a green energy project, that he would have carte blanche to run events as he saw fit. He was right. When the protests turned violent, government forces opened fire -- the first authorized use of force by government troops against protesters since the Tiananmen Square incident in 1989.
Such events are, in part, evidence of a degree of success for the strategy espoused by Jiang's generation. The grow-grow-grow policy results in massive demand for labor by tens of thousands of economically questionable -- and typically state-owned -- corporations. This, in turn, draws workers from the rural regions to the rapidly expanding urban centers by the tens of millions. The dominant sense among those who are left behind -- or those who find their urban experiences less-than-savory -- is that they have been exploited. This is particularly true in places like Shanwei, on the outskirts of urban regions, when urban governors begin confiscating agricultural land for their pet projects.
But for all the complications created by Jiang's solution to China's economic challenges, it is Hu's counter-solution that could truly shatter the system. In addition to dealing with all the corrupt flotsam and high-priced jetsam of Jiang's policies, Hu must rip down what Jiang set out to accomplish: thousands of fresh enterprises that are unencumbered by profit concerns. A steady culling of China's non-competitive industry is perhaps a good idea from the central government's point of view -- and essential for the transformation of the Chinese economy into one that would actually be viable in the long term -- but not if you happen to be one of the local officials who personally benefited from Jiang's policies.
The approach of Hu's generation is nothing less than an attempt to recast the country in a mold that is loosely based on Western economics and finance. Even in the best-case scenario, the central government not only needs to put thousands of mewling firms to the sword and deal with the massive unemployment that will result, it also needs to eliminate the businessmen and governing officials who did well under the previous system (which did not even begin to loosen its grip until 2003). And the only way Beijing can pay for its efforts to develop the interior is to tax the coast dry at the same time it is being gutted politically and economically.
The challenge is to keep this undeclared war at a tolerable level, even while ratcheting up pressure on the coastal lords in terms of both taxation and rationalization. But just as Jiang's "solution" faces the doomsday possibility of a long rural march to rebellion, Hu's strategy well might trigger a coastal revolution. As the central government gradually increases its pressure on the assets and power of China's coastal lords, there is a danger that those in the coastal regions will do what anyone would in such a situation: reach out for whatever allies -- economic and political -- might become available. And if China's history is any guide, they will not stop reaching simply because they reach the ocean.
The last time China's coastal provinces rebelled, they achieved de facto independence -- by helping foreign powers secure spheres of influence -- during the Boxer Rebellion. This resulted, among things, in a near-total breakdown of central authority.
I'm afraid what the writer says about what is going to happen in China has nothing to do with reality so far though what he says based on some facts. It is because the writer knows little about the Chinese culture, its unique ways of dealing with things. I am Chinese and I have been living in the coastal area, Zhejiang Province, which the author mentioned as is somehow trying to seek independence de facto. As far as I know, no one here is thinking this way. If one of you try to predict with a bit of an accuracy, try first to imitate the way most of the Chinese wpuld think and act. Here we don't think in your way.
Not related to the China at all but more about Stratfor. I've seen lots of people quoting (well not lots, but several now) and I don't understand why people seem to regard it so highly. It is an "intelligence" agency but all of it's conclusions are drawn from open-source information. It doesn't have access to sensitive or government information. One can do the same with a little intuition, google, and lexis-nexis. Certainly they are "insightful" at least compared to mainstream journalism but they are hardly authoritative.
I actually just bothered to read the article and I'm left poleaxed. The first part was about the economic imbalances within the Chinese economy, common stuff that one can read anywhere. However, the last two paragraphs really left me stunned as to whether or not Mr. Zeihan had the vaguest clue about Chinese history. His is a classic example of taking a paradigm, and running with it to the end even if it meant going over a cliff. "Coastal Lords"? Pffft.
The august days of Qing China is a fairly broad topic that could take entire book to discuss but his comparison between then and the present is completly off base. His assertion that economic pressure on coastal provinces led to political decentralization is a novel theory, and by novel I mean batshit wrong. The underlying cause of Qing fragmentation was rooted in the military system of the Qing dynasty, i.e. the banner garrisons which led to the formation of localized political power that became more entrenched over time. The Wuhan uprising that ushered in the Republican (and Warlord) era wasn't begun by "coastal lords" but rather the Qing dynasty's own New Army in China's INTERIOR.
Mao Zedong was such a lunatic that even his successors running the Chinese Communist Party saw fit to largely disown his ideology. Even behind the clouded veil of recent Chinese history there is plenty of evidence that Mao is firmly ensconced in the pantheon of modern monsters. Which makes op-ed pieces like Pueng Vongs in today's SCMP almost criminal. The headline reads Still an inspirational leader, and in the spirit of Scrooge here's a Christmas fisking.
Almost 30 years after the death of Mao Zedong, many are still trying to define the controversial leader. But, like China, Mao defies simple classification. And his name still evokes deep respect amonst many Chinese.
That's only partly right. I was able to simply classify Mao in the previous paragrahp. But he does still have deep respect, which is more a testimony to the persistence of Mao's personality cult than anything else.
Today, Beijing officials will honour the 112th anniversary of Mao's birth...
...Outside the country, many Chinese around the world say Mao gave China back its dignity. Yun Shi, 31, who grew up in Shangdong province and now lives in California, recalls the poet, hero and liberator who rescued the Chinese from a "century of humiliation" - the 100 years of foreign domination following the Opium Wars. In founding the people's republic in 1949, "[Mao] annoucned in Tiananmen Square that the Chinese have stood up," Shi said.
More accurately, Mao waited until the Nationalists had fought back the Japanese and with Russian help and blackmail mangled the remaining Nationalists and declared himself liberator. 30 years of indoctination later...
Ms Shi doesn not discount the controversial leader's crimes. Her own family suffered during the communist takeover led by Mao before be became chairman. While she may not agree with Mao's tactics, she still belives in the principles of a fair society, she said.
The latest estimate is Mao was responsible for more than 73 million deaths. In case you're wondering, that's a record. But also note the sophistry at work here. Ms Shi believes in a "fair society". Mao did many things, but did he create a fair society? If you define fair as reducing everyone to the lowest common level while allowing a few cadres to grow rich and fat, including himself, well then I suppose that's one kind of "fairness". It's not what I would consider fair.
Not all Chinese see Mao in a favourable light. In Wild Swans, author Jung Chang chronicled the hardships her family endured as one of millions jailed or sent to the countryside for hard labour during the Cultural Revolution. In her recently release Mao: the Unknown Story, Chang uncovers a far darker side of Mao, much of it never before reported. After the book was released, Chinese came to Mao's defence on internet message boards, citing his contributions to China.
Jung and Halliday's book is banned in China.
Ling-chi Wang, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of California at Berkley, said that while Mao's wrongdoings cannot be discounted, he "made an important contribution to Chinese history, as a leader who instilled a great sense of self-reliance and pride in the people.
Self-reliance obviously includes starving and the follies of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. Again note the "yes, he was an evil bastard but..." line of logic. 73 million deaths is not the same as chopping a cherry tree and lying about it. Another reason to consider Berkeley the most left-wing place on the planet.
In San Fransisco, where Chinese form the city's single largest ethnic group, a restaurant in the Richmond district called Mao Zedong Village is a living homage to the former leader.
Shame 73 million patrons are food for Chinese worms. I'm looking forward to the review of San Fran's "Adolf's Bunker" and "Stalin's Dacha".
...Beijing has recently been using Mao's influence to advance its own agenda, said Chaohua Wang, editor of One China, Many Paths and a dissident. "As discontent grew in the countryside over the growing disparity betweem rich and poor, in the late 1990s the government began to talk about Mao to comfort those who were complaining," Mr Wang said.
They were being told to shut up or they could have someone similar to Mao come back. I've said this before - the gap between urban and rural people may be growing, but everyone in China is richer than during Mao's time. Some are getting richer faster, but everyone is better off.
Leaders like President Hu Jintao copied Mao, he said, travelling to villages in the countryside [Where else would villages be? - Ed.], and emphasised MAo's achievements in making China strong". The message that they deliver was different from Mao's, however. Instead of speaking about "class struggles" against capitalism, as Mao did, they emphasised a "harmonious society".
That's because China has largely embraced capitalism and is far better for it. Hopefully Mao's spinning in his mausoleum.
Indeed, these days Mao is becoming more intertwined with China's spectacular rise. Shanghai-born Miachel Xin, 42, a venture capitalist in Silicon Valley, is in awe of what his country has become. And he says Mao gets a partial nod for laying the foundations.
Note the Chinese born people named in the article are largely too young to have been touched by Mao's madness. This final paragraph makes no sense at all. How has Mao become more "intertwined" with China's spectacular rise? I previously looked at a report on China's fight against poverty. Let me reproduce the first three conclusions:
1. The biggest and easiest gains came from undoing collectivization and giving individuals the responsibility for farming. In other words, Communism doesn't work.
2. Reducing taxes the poor face helps alleviate poverty. In other words, the less the Government interferes, the quicker people get out of poverty.
3. China benefited from a relatively equitable land distribution when collectives were broken up. Given what the country had to go through to get to that point, it's a silver lining in a very black cloud. Nevertheless it emphasises the importance of land reform and distribution in poverty alleviation.
China's rise came about from undoingMao's work. China's recent spectacular rise has occured not because of what Mao did, but because of what Deng Xiapong and others did in reversing Mao's madness. Why the hell does the SCMP print rubbish like this?
It boils down to something very simple: does the means justify the ends? Especially if those ends are so obviously wrong? 73 million dead Chinese say no.
In full agreement, even about the restaurant being in poor taste. Although I did eat at Singapore's House of Mao many times - so I admit that I can be a complete hypocrite when a good buffet is involved. For that matter, I also ate at the Hello Kitty cafe. While the mouthless one isn't nearly as bad a Mao, she's still evil.
There's a Hello Kitty Cafe? I really don't want to know...but, what on earth does it serve?
Posted by dishuiguanyin at December 26, 2005 11:54 PM
It has been a while - haven't been in HK since 2001 - but mostly Hello Kitty-imprinted food. Pure evil. It may, god willing, have gone out of business.
"Mao is also a kitsch favorite among designers. Canton-born New York designer Vivienne Tam sells T-shirts of Mao in pigtails and says she admires a leader who can dictate the fashion of a billion people."
Yes, I suppose Mao's admirable knack of collective fashion sense was one of his greatest gifts foisted upon China's loving people. Second only to the inspirational collective farming movement that he also "dictated".
"Xin says he was once approached by a Taiwanese vice-president of an American high-tech company who told him that he owed his business success to Mao’s books on the “Sword” and “Practice” theories of dealing with conflict and motivating people."
I can't imagine what a gratifying pleasure it would be to work for that guy's company. I suppose the HR employees would go by the moniker of "Red Guards".
" Ling-chi Wang, professor of ethnic studies at U.C. Berkeley, says that while Mao’s wrongdoings cannot be discounted, “Mao made an important contribution in Chinese history, as a leader who instilled a great sense of self-reliance and pride in the people.”"
I wish too that my country, the United States, would go back to the spirit of hard work and self reliance that Mao himself exhibited daily, swimming 9 miles across the Yangtze River at age 73. His instillment of these honorable virtues, as well as a sense of pride in being a nation with such an enlightened Leader, through the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution helped his people break the ties of slavery that had bound them to the West. In fact, the Great Leader never suffered from that Western affliction known as hypocrisy and suffered along with his people during the noble Times Of Transition. Still, very few actual deaths occurred during these prideful years, and the claims of "73 million" are simply examples of the mendacity of the reprobate Taiwanese. In fact, Mao can be applauded for laying the foundations for the current Chinese boom, attributable to innovative Cultural Revolution programs such as the re-education of the Bourgeoisie and groundbreaking reform of the Chinese school system.
The only thing I would change here is calling Mao a 'lunatic.'
Lunacy is synonymous with insanity. Hitler is often given the title of 'lunatic' or 'madman.' I think these descriptions intend to describe the insanity that these men wrought; but as a description of their personalities, I think they were really quite sane.
Leading a country -- whatever system it is -- is like directing a movie. There are many balls that you have to keep in the air. There's a lot of management and balance required. A lunatic could not run a country any more than he could make a great movie.
I don't mean to quibble over such a small thing. But I think seing people like Mao and Hitler as sane people, not lunatics, underscores their true enduring quality: evil.
Lunatics cannot be truly evil, because they have no real control over themselves. Evil is the work of sane people who have deep hatred and the skills necessary to lead people into the abyss.
Mao should be remembered as evil, not crazy.
Posted by Marcus Cicero at December 27, 2005 07:29 AM
Marcus, excellent point and well taken. I suppose "madness" in this context is not to excuse Mao's actions, for they were meticulously planned and not random. It is a measure that by our common, decent standards what he did was mad - outside our typical frames of reference.
Bravo, Marcus. It often seems to me that branding an especially despicable person a "lunatic" diminishes that person's evil. And evil it is - if you cannot use the term to describe Hitler and Stalin and Mao, then you cannot use it at all. Sane human beings make choices, and they are responsible for what they do. Lunatics are not.
total pop increase about 80% from 1949-1976 (27 years), even after 32M lost between 1959-1961 and a couple more millions in early 1950s and various internal struggles.
from 1940 to 1949 only 30% growth in 110 years.
there are a lot more culprits who deserve similar condemnation but were mostly forgotten, among them, Hong Xiuquan of Taiping, CKS's bigger fisaco, Qing's corrupted management, warlords, Japanese invaders...
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the apologists do have a point. despite all the crimes of Mao. he did bring peace to China. and peace (with wealth redistribution), led to pop growth from 1949-1980.
The title is a subversion of a silly, immature T-shirt often sported during the cold war, replete with a mushroom cloud, that read: "Peace Through Superior Firepower".
I refer to the issuance today by China of a White Paper on Peaceful Development. The full text, for anyone with a lot of time on his/her hands, is here. It is basically saying that China is big, it just wants to make money for its people and leave the world alone, and by doing so it will make the world a better place. Let's leave aside the environmental challenge posed by China's coal-based industrialization for the moment, and discuss how it will really affect the international political environment. Little has been written on this subject so far.
Discussion below the jump.
I would argue that China's rise, particularly if the United States retreats from some of its international obligations, will actually mean that the United Nations will become an organization more closely aligned with its original founding principles.
China has been a big fan of the UN since taking its rightful place on the Security Council in 1972 from Taiwan - indeed, it has been a bigger fan of democracy in international relations than in domestic policy. In recent years, the UN has become rather activist, and has been brought in on several occasions to effect nation-building. Overall, too, after the end of the Cold War there has been a greater willingness worlwide to tolerate multilateral interventions in states the world community considers to be failing, whether due to human rights violations, the persecutions of minorities, or otherwise.
But the chief purpose of the United Nations, when it was founded in 1945, was to stop countries from invading each other (specifically, Germany and Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland) and the most sanctified virtue of the original UN Charter was that nations always had the right of sanctity in its own internal affairs. But the rise and fall of the Iron Curtain, and the many momentous events during and after, made that principle subordinate to other considerations (with the exception of Bush I invoking the sanctity of sovereignty of Kuwait after Saddam invaded it).
Now China, given its political set-up, rather likes that principle, and does not really care for countries being able to attack one another, particularly over differences in how a country should treat its own people. The guiding philosophy for Chinese international relations in the 21st century is set out in this white paper - we make money, you'll make money too, and we'll all be happy - happy enough to leave each other alone in terms of internal issues. It invokes Chinese history constantly to prove its point.
The trouble, as I've said before, that what China considers 'internal affairs', its own 'Monroe Doctrine', if you like, has been a continually shifting set of territories. France and China went to war in 1884, for instance, over who had a stronger sphere of influence in Vietnam (China lost, but evidently tried to re-establish it unsuccessfully in 1979). China has throughout history tried to exert its influence in much the same way a Godfather (in the Puzo sense) does, in setting up tributary relations for all bilateral ties. Let us hope China does not revert to historical norm on this front as well.
i think the 2 wars on vietnams are quite different
1st war: france was trying to colonize vietnam, while china was defending a protectorate (presumably at the request of the country being invaded) -- this is what i thought but i haven't done the research yet. anyhow, the objectives were quite different. (this is not to say Qing did not want to make vietnam a province if it could). but to the vietnamese, being a protectorate is a lesser evil than being colonized.
2nd war: it is not about vietnam, it is about cambodia. to drag away vietnam's army so that there was less pressure on the cambodian pro-china force.
another view (e.g., Liu Yazhou) inside china was that carter needed some reassurance that China was indeed breaking from USSR (so that US would be supportive of its reform), and Deng showed the proof to Carter by warring vietnam.
IMO the 1979 was perhaps the only real invasive war of CCP China, and perhaps the only invasiion since 1842. i.e. one motivated by something outside china's own territorial view or self-defense. However, the objective was not for 're-establishing' the 18th century order.
Hi Sun Bin, I quite agree that the two wars were quite different. I was only extracting one similarity from them, which was that in both China was trying to maintain or establish its role as regional hegemon. China was certainly not a welcome force in Annam in the late 19th century, except of course for the ethnic Chinese that played an influential role in the cities. Quite different, I think, from the Korean example (in 1895).
I am hopeful that China will break away from, as you say, any attempt to re-establish the Qianlong-era set of state-to-state relations in China. I also agree that
It is just that it is continuously promoting its own 'peaceful' past through its storied dynastic histories with neighbors - it seems to have become modish to do so. I just wanted to point out some rather obvious shortcomings of this recurrent theme.
"IMO the 1979 was perhaps the only real invasive war of CCP China, and perhaps the only invasiion since 1842. i.e. one motivated by something outside china's own territorial view or self-defense."
What about their attack on India in the early 1960s?
Posted by Tiu Fu Fong at December 22, 2005 06:00 PM
The clear driver of China's love of UN principles is Taiwan, with a nice sideline in being able to expand its sphere of influence without the Americans. If, like China, you define Taiwan as an internal issue, then the UN is great. But as Dave points out, China's history points the wrong way - towards making vassals of allies. In the US China may have finally found one potential ally (and rival) that it clearly cannot make a vassal, except perhaps economically.
But if recent history has shown us anything, it's that the current rulers of China are far more like previous rulers than they would have you believe. Which makes the chances of history repeating far more likely without strong vigilence from others. That's where the role for the UN in China will be in the future. And China may not like it.
What perchance is so troubling about a return to historical Chinese hegemony in Asia? I know that the Chinese government categorically denies any such objectives and constantly denounces "hegemonism" especially on part of the United States, yet the end result of long term economic and political growth will inevitably result in such a situation. I would posit that Chinese domination of the Western Pacific is hardly the nightmare scenario that the Pentagon envisions and hardly unpleasant for countries on China's periphery. Asia dominated by a giant communist dictatorship does not sound particularly appealing, yet if historical trends are anything to go by, it is hardly destabilizing. If anything, Chinese hegemony in the Western Pacific has been the geopolitical norm for two millenia with the most recent two centuries being the exceptions. While Chinese domination is hardly an easy sell, the past has has shown that such a position has in truth fostered peace, and economic activity within Asia. Ironically, it has been periods when the Chinese state has been weakest and most vulnerable that conflict was most likely to appear. While the tributary state system has its disavantages, the fact that the relationship is hierarchical and dilineates clear positions for state actors removes the uncertainty so inherently dangerious in the Westphalian model of inter-state relationships. Inequality between states may be built into such a system, yet it only makes public what already exists.
the border war in 1962 was the biggest lie in western media during the cold war. india invaded china and china was jsut defending its own borders. see here (by american and british scholars)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1984/CJB.htm
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/1962war.htm
Jing, I'm not sure the people of Japan, Korea, Vietnam or Thailand are ready for a return to Chinese hegemony. In modern times even the USA struggles to assert hegemony within its supposed sphere of influence. We're in an age of sovereign nations that respect each other...aren't we?
There are problems comparing modern day hegemony to China. China in the past, even during its expansionist periods was largely a continental power, its influence remote in most of what we call modernday Asia. I would hardly compare it to the global and far reaching hegemony enjoyed by the USSR or the USA.
I would also argue against the so-called stability of the tributary system. In the past China has more often than not been destabilizing force in regards to its neighbors. This should be viewed from the perspective of its neighbors, and not a sinocentric view. China has historically demanded subservient tributary relations, or military dominance through invasion or other military force. Taken from a non-Chinese Asian view, I would hardly describe China as having fostered peace in Asia.
Posted by everlasting at December 23, 2005 10:55 AM
Does the US fail to exert influence on the Anglosphere? Britain, Australia....American power is still going strong I'd say. Today there are sovereign states, but weaker states orbit around more powerful ones. Britain, Japan and South Korea would never dare defy the USA.
A powerful China is most certainly NOT a return to the tributary system. Gone are the days of "barbarians and Empires". The only unfulfilled claim of the PRC is Taiwan - the Chinese Civil War is unfinished business. If/Once that is settled, the PRC has no reason to sabre-rattle anyone, anywhere. Sit back and let the economy continue to grow.
A war with the USA will totally destroy the advancements of the Deng era and throw China back into the stone age after a hailstorm of nuclear rain from the USA. And then the weak China of the 19th century appears again, and bits and pieces of the country fall apart. NOT the scenario Beijing wants to see.
I quite agree with Simon and everlasting on their comments. As for ptan, I don't think anyone is suggesting that the US and China will be going to war. However, the US is definitely doing less these days to engage the nations of Asia on a full range of issues on which they are all interested, having until recently defined their main interest as counter-terrorism. The US is also now contemplating a scale-back of its military presence worldwide, including in Asia. This will leave a little bit of a vacuum (only a little since the US is far from disengaging completely) but this by default gives China more room to develop its own role as a regional hegemon.
According to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald speaking Mandarin requires more brain power than speaking English:
Mandarin speakers use more areas of their brains than people who speak English, scientists said, in a finding that provides new insight into how the brain processes language.
Unlike English speakers, who use one side of their brain to understand the language, scientists at the Wellcome Trust research charity in Britain discovered that, in Mandarin, both sides of the brain are used to interpret variations in sounds.
Interestingly enough, I have mixed thoughts on this topic. Many Chinese believe that it's difficult for foreigners to write Chinese characters while I've found the written language much easier to conquer than the spoken language.
I've also spoken to many Chinese students in the US who believe mastering the English language is the hardest thing they've ever done, but I suppose that depends on the individual because there are many people who are able to pick up foreign languages without a great deal of effort. Still, some say it is impossible to decide which is the most difficult language to learn.
Hmm... I found Chinese to be probably the easiest thing I've ever done... But I already spoke English natively, and have a pretty good command of Japanese too. So I could just look at the written characters and pick up their meaning due to kanji from Japanese, and then apply English grammar to the sentence and pretty much understand it. Speaking and listening of course took more work, but it wasn't really all that hard. Granted I have no where come close to mastering Chinese as I only took two years of it in college (an American taking Chinese at a Japanese University was quite a site for the Chinese teacher who was teaching in Japanese) so maybe Chinese is one of those languages that's east at first and gets hard the further you go.
The way I explain it to Chinese who are frustrated that their English fluency doesn't match my Chinese fluency is:
There is threshold ability (the ability to get the point across), and mastery. English is such a fluid language that it is much easier to get to the point where you can make yourself understood, but that same fluidity makes it nearly impossible to use with complete accuracy. Whereas Chinese (with its multiple tones, excessive homonyms, and writing system that has only tangential connections to pronunciation) has a much higher threshold...but once you achieve that threshold, mastery/fluency is not much harder to achieve.
Love is complicated in any society and China is no exception - in fact, it may be the rule. In most cases there are cultural and ethnic traditions, dowries and a long list of other protocols that must be followed (as I had to), but for China's migrant workers things can sometimes be even more complicated:
Marriage is nothing to be flirted with in a hasty way, but among young migrant workers from east China's Jiangxi Province, they are tying the knot in no time by binding each other with "marriage down payment". Lin Qing, a 24-year-old girl in the countryside of Jiangxi's Anyi County, married her husband Yang Geng on the seventh day after they got acquainted through a matchmaker in January this year. Yang, also a local farmer, had a job of selling aluminum alloy in Lanzhou, capital of northwest China's Gansu Province.
Before the marriage, Lin's mother Li Laiying received 23,000 yuan (about 2,875 U.S. dollars) from Yang's father -- 13,000 yuan for wedding feast, buying clothes and jewelry and 10,000 yuan for "marriage deposit" or "marriage down payment". The 10,000 yuan is meant for guaranteeing that once Yang is not faithful to Lin, the girl can at least get some compensation, and the money will be returned to them if the couple can remain in the wedlock and have child, said the mother.
Receiving down payment has become very popular in rural families with young people working in cities in Anyi. Generally, when a young man returns home from his migrant working life during a short vacation, he will be introduced to a girl by a matchmaker. If the two think it is all right to stay together, they will immediately sign an agreement to define their lover or spouse relations. After handing over some 10,000 yuan or more to the mother-in-law, they are allowed to go out working in cities and start a couple's life.
Fortunately for me, I'm a foreigner and I didn't have to jump through as many hoops to marry my wife as a Chinese man would have, but I don't think my in-laws have any doubts as to my devotion to my wife. I guess you could say that most foreigners are immune to the standard protocols of marriage when it comes to marrying a Chinese bride. Unfortunately for Chinese migrant workers, they are not and while the bride is assured compensation should the husband become unfaithful during his lonely quest for employment, what's to guarantee the wife won't engage in extramarital affairs?
Hey your here, a little off topic, but are you or Conrad still posting in Peking Duck? Richard deleted 3 of my posts in defense of President Bush earlier and now I'm blocked totally. My guess is the liberal dumbocrap can't tolerate free speech mcuh. Let's move the party here. Simon is way cooler. ;-)
What often happens is that the male goes to work in the city whereas the wife stays in the village. There are huge number of social controls making it difficult for the wife to cheat and almost impossible for her to cheat secretly, since in a village everyone knows everyone else. The same is not true in the city where no one knows anyone else, and its easy for a male to wander.
One thing that is interesting is that people in the West tend to think of the "nuclear family" as normal, whereas Chinese families are distinctly non-nuclear. Not only do you have extended families, but its also common for husbands, wives, and children not to live with each other. (For example, husband and wife lives in city and grandparents take care of kids.)
There is some very interesting anthropology here.
Posted by Joseph Wang at December 19, 2005 02:41 AM
Asiapundit has stumbled on a rather startling piece of news; North Korean soldiers cross border and fire on Chinese soldiers:
It has been belatedly learned (thanks to KBS) that five North Koreans armed with rifles crossed the Tumen River into China's Yonbyon region in the early morning hours of Oct. 16 and attempted to burglarize a mountainside resort villa. The manager of the resort quietly notified the authorities, who responded by sending six of the PLA's finest to the scene. As the Chinese soldiers approached the resort, the North Koreans opened fire, killing a 19-year-old soldier by the name of Li Ryang.
According to witnesses, the North Koreans were wearing KPA uniforms, and are believed to have been soldiers.
The last time I checked China was North Korea's sole remaining ally. Either Kim Jong-il has lost his mind or his troops are so desperate for food and other commodities for survival that they're now willing to bite the hand that feeds them.
It is perverse - but it does indicate that NK troops are in pretty dire straits. Given that the NK were - if military - probably border guards, they likely already received a few of their fellow citizens who were 'repatriated' by the Chinese side. That and the fact that the PLA wouldn't look too kindly on foreigners robbing a resort probably made them disregard the amnesty option.
Unfortunately, a TypePad outage has shut the AP (and Marmot's where I nicked the link). I noticed a similar item at One Free Korea (freekorea.blogspot.com) if further reading is needed though.
To get some idea of the amazing number of Chinese bureaucrats there are shuffling along in government-owned cars, consider this: maintenance and operation of official limousines in 1999 was taking up 3.6 percent of the national budget and costing 300 billion yuan (HK$287.88 billion). That was nearly three times the 107.64 billion yuan China was admitting to spending on the national defense budget, although of course the unofficial defense budget runs much higher, to about 20 percent of GDP. In the 1990s, the average number of official limousines grew 27 percent a year. Nearly a quarter of all government procurements in 2004 were for limousines for bureaucrats. Probably one out of every two cars you see on a highway in China is operating at government expense.
It is, quite frankly, staggering. It also generates second order effects: the huge number of cars on the road drives demand for more roads, creates traffic congestion, leads to pollution, needs more parking stations and increases demand for fuel. Most importantly, where are all these cadres going and why? Shouldn't public servants use public transport like the rest of the public?
everyone at the rank of deputy-minister or up for an Audi A6, and all the gas/etc paid if refueled at the specific gas station, and a driver.
it is not a lot given that the Chinese officials are underpaid. they should probably increase the salary instead. (like Sing and HK).
what they should do is probably give a fixed budget for each of the official.
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btw, the Standard guy got GDP and state budget mixed up. 20% GDP would be 20% x 13 trillion = 2600 bn RMB.
As Sun said, government jobs underpay...but they get alot of good stuff (cars, housing, healthcare), that counter the low pay. Private sector jobs pay more, but the chances of you getting the extras are slim.
Whenever we have female visitors, they are typically taken by Mrs M for a journey across the border into the wilds of China. By border I mean Lowu train station and by across I mean the 50 yards from that station to the entrance of Lowu Commercial Centre. I don't know of any other shopping centre in the world to have books dedicated solely to navigating its depths. By depths I mean 6 floors of near endless tiny shops, all seemingly hawking the same thing: fakes. The major categories are all fast moving consumer goods: DVDs, wallets, handbags, glasses, golf clubs, clothes, shoes. There is the "jewellery" section, an electronics lane, several eateries of varying quality and assorted odd shops. There are tailors who will copy any design or picture you provide, and a marketplace of materials for those clothes.
Two main questions arise from a visit to Shenzhen. The first is whether there is more to the place than the shopping centre? The short answer is no. Readers from Shenzhen, feel free to correct me. However aside from "Wonders of the World", Shenzhen is not a tourist town. The second is when it comes to protecting intellectual property rights and these so-called drives against piracy, China is nowhere. I stood and watched how efficiently the entire place packed away the copied goods as soon as a cockatoo* gave word the cops were around. Once the cops left, it all came out. Obviously the triads are behind much of what goes on, but it occurs in such staggering scale that local authorities must surely be involved or at least bribed to turn a blind eye.
One shopkeeper told me the rent of a small stall in the Lowu Commercial Centre costs RMB25,000 a month in a high traffic area and RMB9,000 a month in more out of the way corners. When I say small, these stalls we maybe 5 square metres. Larger stores no doubt cost significantly more. That's an awful lot of fake handbags, DVDs and whatever else each store needs to sell. Hazarding a guess, many of the stores are likely owned by the same person/group, stocking exactly the same goods. Yes China is a big country and its police cannot be everywhere, nor can reps from the fashion companies. But if China wanted to get serious about protecting IPR, it could. That's not to say I agree with governments doing brands' dirty work for them - far from it. But if China really is committed to getting rid of piracy, it needs to visibly raise the cost of doing that business. Mass arrests, confiscations, public trials, visible patrols. And not just the retailers, but the gangs, corrupt government officials and manufacturers driving it all.
It's possible, but not probable. The costs are slight and the profits large. As a business it employs many and provides many with goods they could or would not otherwise buy. There is a slight sacrifice in quality, but compared to the savings it is deemed worthwhile by the huge numbers of customers. If the brands and movie companies want something done, they need to do it themselves. In other words, they need to quantify the cost of piracy to their business and invest those amounts in protecting their brands. The taxpayer doesn't benefit from police enforcing anti-piracy laws, but the brands and their bottom line does. Let them pay for it, for real.
fashion brands don't care that much about it. The people who buy fakes wouldn't ever buy an original.
CDs and movies are different, though. But if you can't buy a dvd copy, you can just download it nowadays. It's a lost battle.
this is probably the biggest reason why counterfeit goods is hard to control in developing countries (plus inefficeint policing). not just china, we have these in thailand, malaysia as well.
you got more in china because it is the 'world factory'
One of those rare times when I not only disagree with you, I disagree strongly. With a population higher than HK and average per capita income higher than even Shanghai, it's extremely wrong to write off Shenzhen so quickly.
Granted it is a difficult place to navigate if you don't speak Chinese or have Chinese friends with you. When you get away from Luo Hu and the horrendous shopping mall (perhaps by taking the brand spanking new subway system), you will find that parts of the city are really beautiful, from the tree- and art-lined streets of Overseas Chinese town to some great public parks and the beach and bar area over by Shekou.
From the shopping perspective, aside from Wal*Mart and Sam's Club, get away from Luo Hu to where the local Chinese actually shop and there are many alternatives to knock-offs.
And the food ... authentic Sichuan and Hunan cuisine that simply can't be found in HK; seafood at half the price of here; great little streetside barbecue shops.
And my favorite sauna palace where a two hour massage costs 80 RMB - another 25 to kick in a one hour foot massage. And this joint will give me a free ride to Huanggang if I'm there too late for the train, or just let me spend the night in one of the massage rooms (color TV that gets HK stations) for no extra charge.
Okay, maybe not a tourist town per se, but there is a reason so many HKers spend so much weekend time there.
Hi Simon, as my father-in-law has been working in Shenzhen for several years and I go quite often to visit (and sometimes to shop), I feel I should add to this conversation.
Until I had left the Lo Wu area, I tended to agree with you - it seemed just an endless assortment of cheap DVD shops, restaurants, clothing stores and tailors', hotels and massage parlors.
But having the use of a car really opened my eyes. There is a beautiful park, just to the east of the city, where one can walk, hike or jog and that includes a fossilized forest. There are also a number of nice neighborhoods in the city that gleam and sparkle and look nicer than most buildings in Hong Kong (although you never know how well they are built).
I take your point that it is not really great for tourism - I enjoyed visiting the Minsk aircraft carrier, but without a car getting around is a pain, and it is extraordinarily difficult to know where to go, especially for the tourist destinations outside of the city that have a much longer history than SZ itself.
But thanks to our local contacts, we were able to visit fabulous furniture shopping malls in Futian and other places where my wife and I, surprisingly, were able to buy or make-to-order some fabulous furniture at a fraction of the cost in Hong Kong. Many of the designs are copied from somewhere, but the shopping experience itself has improved, with attractive store layouts aimed at China's middle and upper class. (And I love my Bosch power tool I bought at the Shenzhen Wal-Mart!).
So let me say this - I agree with you about Shenzhen with regards to LuoHu. But if you know someone locally that can show you around the other city districts or further afield, Shenzhen can actually be quite interesting.
Again point taken, although we made the effort to get out - went to Donren for example. Next time I'll suss out advice from you all and do a different trip.
What Spike and HK Dave said. Despite working and living in HK five days a week, I still have an apartment in the Futian district - in the same bldg I lived in when I arrived there more than two years ago - and thoroughly enjoy the neighborhood. Trees, friendly outgoing people, a wide variety of cheap, mostly good food, close to the subway blahblah.
Lohu ain't Shenzhen any more than, say, the Ladies Market is Hong Kong. Or something like that.