April 24, 2005

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Earlier I described the view of Asia, and particularly China, from a mainstream far left perspective. That is, Beijing from the further left point of view that has political power in the United States.

Below is the complement to that -- China as seen by the Far Right Free Republic.

On China signing up for the European Union's "Galileo" GPS program

This shouldn't be a shock. The Chi-coms see us as strategic competitors. No way they would want to use our navigation systems.

It's becoming increasingly clear that China is planning for the contingency of military confrontation with us in the coming years, and that they see the Europeans no threat to their plans for regional domination.

"This shouldn't be a shock. The Chi-coms see us as strategic competitors."

No, we (or at least some of us) see them as strategic competitors. They see us as THE enemy.

On the Pentagon saying China isn't a "future challenge" -- it is "a problem here and now"

Clinton's true legacy--


In certain areas it is becoming a First World military force - in areas such as ballistic and cruise missiles, advanced fighters and multi-role aircraft, advanced submarines with anti-ship cruise missiles.

In certain areas? Heck that's about ALL the areas!

On Chinese ties to Sudan

OK, now the genocide of helpless Christians cannot be defended by the US because 1) the US is not Christian 2) the US hates Christians 3) The Saudis are forcing the US to stay out as the Muslim Arabs cleanse their nation of millions of Christians citizens, 4) the big bad Chinese will beet us up if we come near Sudan.

On Chinese ties to the Third World

America is punk broke.

Let's see: China owns both ends of the Panama Canal, is buying up all the Caribbean and South American port properties (trade gateways) it can, is building more ports in these areas, is negotiating trade agreements with these nations and Cuba to obtain their raw materials (like oil) in return for capital investment and low cost consumer goods, has military officials meeting with these nations, builds gigantic ships, and is building more nukes. And still considers America an enemy.

Caribbean. Cuba. Panama Canal. Mexico?

Knock, knock, knock...

Conclusion: the far right of mainstream American politics share the following beliefs on Asia

  • China's government is a conventional strategic threat to the United States
  • China is building a network of friends to counter American interests
  • China's army is well organized, trained, and equipped
  • America has an amoral political class China can use to her own ends

There are three main differences between the mainstream far-left's (Democratic Underground)'s and the mainstream far-right's (Free Republic's) views on China and Asia

  • DU posters write more about human rights
  • DU posters write more about history
  • FR posters write more about "technical" concerns (port ownership, army readiness, etc)

What does that mean for the larger left-right split in America? To what extent are both DU and FR united against American centrists? Those are posts for another time...

These themes are interest to compare against the mainstream far left's. Human rights are almost entirely absent, except for charging America of neglect of them in Sudan.

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I wouldn't exactly call FR far-right. Extremely neoconservative? Yes. But far-right brings up images of Hitler and Mussolini (i.e. guys most of FR don't really like to say the least).

posted by: Rajan R on 04.24.05 at 02:34 PM [permalink]

Well it turns out I share about as much with Freep as DU, but I must say that I'm less comfortable with the way the Freepers say it.

posted by: Kelvin on 04.24.05 at 06:16 PM [permalink]

I think tdaxp has done an excellent job summarizing (and sanitizing) neo-conservative attitudes though I thought my response in the DU thread was much funnier.

posted by: Jing on 04.24.05 at 07:36 PM [permalink]

I think tdaxp has done an excellent job summarizing (and sanitizing) neo-conservative attitudes though I thought my response in the DU thread was much funnier.

posted by: jing on 04.24.05 at 07:37 PM [permalink]

Thanks for the kind comments. I will try to look at other opinion sources too.

I used "mainstream far right" instead of "far right" because I didn't want to use the term as an insult. The simplistic left/right divide does have some validity, and I think FR definitely falls on the mainstream far right of it. There are definitely people to FR's right (Michael Savage, etc), but they don't have a prayer of influencing US policies. The Free Republic does.

Politically, I think "neoconservative" refers to a particularly academic strain of Right thinking that has its origin in center-left and leftists movements in the 1970s (Senator Jackson, maybe Senator Humphrey, the Social Democrats, Trotskyites, "Right Communists," etc). Today, neoconservatives typically are free traders and believe in an activist foreign policy. I think the the Free Republic posters are much more traditional conservatives, or "paleocons," than neoconservatives.

posted by: Dan on 04.24.05 at 11:17 PM [permalink]

you are right of course and I should probably have known better than to describe them carte blanche as "neo-cons". However, I wouldn't consider Free-Republic as traditional conservatives either because traditional conservatism doesn't generally promote an activist foreign policy nor profligate federal spending.

posted by: Jing on 04.25.05 at 03:39 AM [permalink]

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